1 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:01,189 well it's gonna be back with you again 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:04,650 we've got a great guest and Paulino and 3 00:00:10,190 --> 00:00:07,170 then you know on to guests and they 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:10,200 written a new book on monsters and and 5 00:00:14,539 --> 00:00:12,570 the shortage of those will will be 6 00:00:16,910 --> 00:00:14,549 overjoyed to have them on pretty soon 7 00:00:20,689 --> 00:00:16,920 and Heidi it's good to have you back 8 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:20,699 indeed Fanta cago got some great news 9 00:00:26,210 --> 00:00:23,970 stories here and the first the first one 10 00:00:28,519 --> 00:00:26,220 is a religious issue now you know we had 11 00:00:31,790 --> 00:00:28,529 Russ Brio on last week with the Shroud 12 00:00:34,069 --> 00:00:31,800 and what the latest story on spirit 13 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:34,079 daily.com as they found in ancient 14 00:00:39,830 --> 00:00:37,530 Hebrew the word lamb when they did a 15 00:00:42,619 --> 00:00:39,840 holographic imaging of the Shroud this 16 00:00:44,450 --> 00:00:42,629 recently and for those interested they 17 00:00:46,910 --> 00:00:44,460 go to spirit daily.com and they'll have 18 00:00:48,410 --> 00:00:46,920 this news story there but I mean there's 19 00:00:51,049 --> 00:00:48,420 all kinds of stuff connected with this 20 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:51,059 shroud that the point to points to its 21 00:00:59,029 --> 00:00:54,210 authenticity and this this just came up 22 00:01:01,849 --> 00:00:59,039 last couple days yeah that's pretty 23 00:01:06,260 --> 00:01:01,859 amazing now North Korea course shot at 24 00:01:07,850 --> 00:01:06,270 ICBM and the drink but I mean the study 25 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:07,860 of it showed that it could probably hit 26 00:01:15,230 --> 00:01:10,650 Chicago maybe even New York which would 27 00:01:18,109 --> 00:01:15,240 be much worse and they any rate Trump is 28 00:01:22,030 --> 00:01:18,119 met with Prime Minister Abe II of Japan 29 00:01:24,620 --> 00:01:22,040 and their I'll quarter nikki Haley the 30 00:01:27,020 --> 00:01:24,630 UN representative they're talking they 31 00:01:28,700 --> 00:01:27,030 said she said quote the talking is over 32 00:01:31,730 --> 00:01:28,710 which would supposedly indicate some 33 00:01:36,710 --> 00:01:31,740 kind of genuine military effort against 34 00:01:38,030 --> 00:01:36,720 these little rascals and I mean I don't 35 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:38,040 know but anyway it supposedly could hit 36 00:01:42,950 --> 00:01:39,890 Chicago and potentially even New York 37 00:01:45,530 --> 00:01:42,960 might be why that bet creature or 38 00:01:48,170 --> 00:01:45,540 Mothman is flapping around here I don't 39 00:01:50,630 --> 00:01:48,180 know I don't know but the mob will come 40 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:50,640 out this is exactly the issues that 41 00:01:54,170 --> 00:01:52,530 falls gonna be talking about because he 42 00:01:56,810 --> 00:01:54,180 and Ben have written a book behind the 43 00:01:58,990 --> 00:01:56,820 paranormal - Bigfoot Mothman and 44 00:02:01,459 --> 00:01:59,000 monsters you've never heard of so a 45 00:02:06,859 --> 00:02:01,469 little Chicago monsters will probably 46 00:02:09,260 --> 00:02:06,869 included in that let's hope well I don't 47 00:02:12,130 --> 00:02:09,270 know but you know my girl maked Kelly 48 00:02:17,410 --> 00:02:12,140 had a very good show this past week 49 00:02:19,780 --> 00:02:17,420 Oh finally okay okay she's trying to be 50 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:19,790 sweet beautiful she looks she's trying 51 00:02:24,940 --> 00:02:21,290 to bite her tongue and be sweet let her 52 00:02:28,180 --> 00:02:24,950 be sweet but both CBS and megyn kelly 53 00:02:34,420 --> 00:02:28,190 both highlighted how bad the airlines 54 00:02:36,790 --> 00:02:34,430 are giving us the shaft and actually CBS 55 00:02:39,970 --> 00:02:36,800 had a comparable story to Megan's and 56 00:02:42,910 --> 00:02:39,980 that they had a midweek show I think it 57 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:42,920 was last night we're out yeah it was 58 00:02:49,870 --> 00:02:47,410 last night that they they had 59 00:02:51,729 --> 00:02:49,880 invitations to about four or five of the 60 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:51,739 major airlines to send a rep and talk 61 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:53,810 about some of the disagreement of the 62 00:02:58,810 --> 00:02:56,330 public and not one of the major five 63 00:03:01,780 --> 00:02:58,820 airlines went set a rep they all 64 00:03:03,729 --> 00:03:01,790 declined the offer for CBS which shows 65 00:03:06,250 --> 00:03:03,739 things smell a rat again with but 66 00:03:09,970 --> 00:03:06,260 basically here's what happened in the 67 00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:09,980 80s they have 38 inches between seats 68 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:14,209 okay right it's it's shrunken down now 69 00:03:21,060 --> 00:03:17,930 to like something like 33 inches because 70 00:03:27,220 --> 00:03:21,070 the American waistline has also shrunk 71 00:03:31,060 --> 00:03:27,230 no as a matter of fact with the times 72 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:31,070 but prices keep going up okay but the 73 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:34,010 only one that made the show to be 74 00:03:40,060 --> 00:03:35,450 interviewed was this little weasely 75 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:40,070 wheezy little bald sob that was a like 76 00:03:44,350 --> 00:03:41,930 the cat acted like a cat that swallowed 77 00:03:46,090 --> 00:03:44,360 the canary the chairman of Spirit 78 00:03:50,830 --> 00:03:46,100 Airlines which is the source of most 79 00:03:54,690 --> 00:03:50,840 evil in the world and his The Blair 80 00:03:56,050 --> 00:03:54,700 lines puts you 28 inches between seats 81 00:03:58,390 --> 00:03:56,060 Wow 82 00:04:03,789 --> 00:03:58,400 I mean you have to have a figure of an 83 00:04:05,710 --> 00:04:03,799 ironing board to see and it's tough too 84 00:04:07,449 --> 00:04:05,720 the only thing that he hasn't done 85 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:07,459 because they were asked the only thing 86 00:04:11,380 --> 00:04:09,170 he doesn't charge for is using the 87 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:11,390 restroom and that's who knows when that 88 00:04:17,259 --> 00:04:13,250 will come up 89 00:04:18,850 --> 00:04:17,269 wow that is crazy yeah that put a put a 90 00:04:20,830 --> 00:04:18,860 quarter in the door to get in that's 91 00:04:23,260 --> 00:04:20,840 what they used to have here in Chicago a 92 00:04:25,390 --> 00:04:23,270 lot of Wells out with they're not 93 00:04:27,460 --> 00:04:25,400 required to have a restroom a toilet in 94 00:04:31,690 --> 00:04:27,470 the restaurants here in Chicago so hold 95 00:04:33,670 --> 00:04:31,700 it - you know I'm serious 96 00:04:37,180 --> 00:04:33,680 so you'll be surprised when you go to 97 00:04:39,550 --> 00:04:37,190 some of them you're like hey hey hey you 98 00:04:40,660 --> 00:04:39,560 serious I think it's part of the health 99 00:04:43,710 --> 00:04:40,670 code here 100 00:04:48,010 --> 00:04:43,720 you would think go hand in hand 101 00:04:49,930 --> 00:04:48,020 Chicago's got it all man I don't they 102 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:49,940 changed that ordinance but I've gone 103 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:52,250 into some and yeah this is one of the 104 00:04:56,170 --> 00:04:54,530 few places it's not required and you 105 00:04:58,420 --> 00:04:56,180 used to as something like gas stations 106 00:05:00,340 --> 00:04:58,430 you have to check a quarter or two in to 107 00:05:03,490 --> 00:05:00,350 go use the bathroom I I just well I 108 00:05:06,430 --> 00:05:03,500 haven't seen those and 31 early no no 109 00:05:09,070 --> 00:05:06,440 I've seen well they used to have DC 110 00:05:13,030 --> 00:05:09,080 Airport which had eight tiles but they 111 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:13,040 tore those out a long time ago but no 112 00:05:17,890 --> 00:05:15,290 Heidi uh they don't have that kind of 113 00:05:21,159 --> 00:05:17,900 thing around here but here's the thing 114 00:05:24,210 --> 00:05:21,169 about it there's worse issues in this 115 00:05:28,180 --> 00:05:24,220 airline thing than just the small seats 116 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:28,190 they've got a deal were on CBS they said 117 00:05:31,300 --> 00:05:29,930 they're that not all passengers are 118 00:05:33,159 --> 00:05:31,310 considered equal like let's say you 119 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:33,169 bought a bargain-basement fare on the 120 00:05:38,430 --> 00:05:35,090 same airline you know found some special 121 00:05:41,590 --> 00:05:38,440 or whatever yeah they overbooked flights 122 00:05:43,390 --> 00:05:41,600 which they never used to do I mean they 123 00:05:46,630 --> 00:05:43,400 have they booked flights like a hundred 124 00:05:48,460 --> 00:05:46,640 and ten percent occupancy so what I'm 125 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:48,470 saying is they could bump you from your 126 00:05:51,730 --> 00:05:50,090 flight that's been one of the sources of 127 00:05:55,030 --> 00:05:51,740 you never you've seen in recent news 128 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:55,040 stories were dragged their heels or 129 00:06:00,190 --> 00:05:57,050 something that guy paid for that flight 130 00:06:01,690 --> 00:06:00,200 that they drugged out like that yeah you 131 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:01,700 know it's weird like this said well we 132 00:06:06,100 --> 00:06:04,370 have to overbook because you know people 133 00:06:07,810 --> 00:06:06,110 might show not show up for their flight 134 00:06:09,700 --> 00:06:07,820 or something like that I'm like they 135 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:09,710 don't give refunds anymore so what do 136 00:06:15,730 --> 00:06:11,330 they care it's paid for 137 00:06:18,310 --> 00:06:15,740 they don't give refunds like that that 138 00:06:19,540 --> 00:06:18,320 is criminal and the the guy that member 139 00:06:21,820 --> 00:06:19,550 the thing that got in the tussle 140 00:06:23,290 --> 00:06:21,830 feedback Uppal months ago that guy paid 141 00:06:24,610 --> 00:06:23,300 for that flight and the one they wanted 142 00:06:26,570 --> 00:06:24,620 to substitute on the flight with some 143 00:06:29,390 --> 00:06:26,580 employee that was flying the some 144 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:29,400 they bring City on work or whatever nuts 145 00:06:35,270 --> 00:06:32,730 to them fly among a buy your own ticket 146 00:06:38,420 --> 00:06:35,280 I mean in other words that was totally 147 00:06:42,290 --> 00:06:38,430 wrong and all this all this ruckus and 148 00:06:44,900 --> 00:06:42,300 attention to some degree of consolation 149 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:44,910 between Megan's effort and CBS's effort 150 00:06:51,260 --> 00:06:47,970 has resulted in the Congress a matter of 151 00:06:54,350 --> 00:06:51,270 fact a federal district judge just 152 00:06:55,850 --> 00:06:54,360 recently ordered the FAA to start 153 00:06:58,520 --> 00:06:55,860 bearing down on these issues 154 00:07:00,380 --> 00:06:58,530 so everybody ladies and gentlemen it has 155 00:07:04,370 --> 00:07:00,390 finally happened Kevin Cook has been 156 00:07:08,030 --> 00:07:04,380 officially taken into custody for all of 157 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:08,040 his mobster ties and Putin is also 158 00:07:13,610 --> 00:07:10,290 trying to get his hands into it it's 159 00:07:18,590 --> 00:07:13,620 really an entertaining thing I'm 160 00:07:20,150 --> 00:07:18,600 witnessing here so I don't know what 161 00:07:23,450 --> 00:07:20,160 happened to him you fell off the planet 162 00:07:25,820 --> 00:07:23,460 it's all good but you know what we're 163 00:07:27,470 --> 00:07:25,830 gonna have a good show we've got Paul 164 00:07:29,210 --> 00:07:27,480 and Ben you know I don't think I've had 165 00:07:32,690 --> 00:07:29,220 a show have an opportunity to speak with 166 00:07:35,330 --> 00:07:32,700 Ben so pop it's like an old old family 167 00:07:37,670 --> 00:07:35,340 member here so you guys we'll be right 168 00:07:38,690 --> 00:07:37,680 back after the break this is gonna be 169 00:07:40,130 --> 00:07:38,700 really fun to know we're gonna talk 170 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:40,140 about a lot of things that are going on 171 00:07:44,870 --> 00:07:43,290 that are really really bizarre Mothman 172 00:07:47,330 --> 00:07:44,880 is one of my favorite topics because 173 00:07:51,290 --> 00:07:47,340 hello Chicago is dealing with something 174 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:51,300 truly the ordinary over a dozen weird 175 00:07:55,700 --> 00:07:53,850 sightings of a bat-like creature this is 176 00:07:58,580 --> 00:07:55,710 Gotham so I'm not surprised so you guys 177 00:08:00,790 --> 00:07:58,590 just hold tight and we'll be right back 178 00:08:04,550 --> 00:08:00,800 [Music] 179 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:04,560 I tell you what you know I don't have 180 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:07,050 that many favorite yeah I guess but Paul 181 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:08,490 is one of them Paul and then you know 182 00:08:13,610 --> 00:08:10,410 whether they're out of Woonsocket Rhode 183 00:08:16,970 --> 00:08:13,620 Island and they have a great show on 184 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:16,980 wound 1240 and Boston Worcester 185 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:19,890 Providence area and it's called behind 186 00:08:24,740 --> 00:08:22,650 the paranormal and they've got all kinds 187 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:24,750 of years of experience it's a very great 188 00:08:31,130 --> 00:08:28,530 show and they've been on also the 189 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:31,140 history travel and Discovery Channel's 190 00:08:39,650 --> 00:08:36,330 and CBS missed all kinds of interesting 191 00:08:40,430 --> 00:08:39,660 insights and Paul is educated to beat 192 00:08:43,010 --> 00:08:40,440 the band these 193 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:43,020 graduated from two seminaries he's 194 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:45,290 expelled for paranormal work before you 195 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:48,090 finished ordination but such a rebel 196 00:08:53,030 --> 00:08:51,090 love it that's the way it goes it's the 197 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:53,040 way it goes Ben's an audio engineer a 198 00:08:57,350 --> 00:08:55,290 2014 graduate of ambition College in 199 00:08:59,870 --> 00:08:57,360 Boston so there this is really a good 200 00:09:01,240 --> 00:08:59,880 way decent yeah that's pretty good just 201 00:09:07,780 --> 00:09:01,250 can't just mess with you Ben 202 00:09:10,220 --> 00:09:07,790 well usually actually uh golly Heidi uh 203 00:09:11,870 --> 00:09:10,230 you know I know you've been bedeviled 204 00:09:13,460 --> 00:09:11,880 with this hat man though I'm not sure 205 00:09:16,910 --> 00:09:13,470 where he I think thief it's more in the 206 00:09:20,780 --> 00:09:16,920 Amanat category than cryptid he does 207 00:09:22,850 --> 00:09:20,790 yeah but now Paul Ben have just put out 208 00:09:25,070 --> 00:09:22,860 a book behind the paranormal - Bigfoot 209 00:09:32,870 --> 00:09:25,080 Mothman and monsters you never heard of 210 00:09:35,860 --> 00:09:32,880 and now Paul Paul I think I did some 211 00:09:38,090 --> 00:09:35,870 growing up in Florida and we had what 212 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:38,100 wasn't the skunk ape they call him down 213 00:09:43,330 --> 00:09:41,850 there yes because that was mostly 214 00:09:46,820 --> 00:09:43,340 slithering around glades 215 00:09:48,740 --> 00:09:46,830 and I guess they've got a different 216 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:48,750 version in different different states I 217 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:53,610 suppose of Vsauce 218 00:09:59,150 --> 00:09:56,970 well you know that's true well thank you 219 00:10:14,780 --> 00:09:59,160 for your welcome Kevin and Heidi and 220 00:10:16,900 --> 00:10:14,790 it's great does have lots of names in 221 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:16,910 different parts of the country it's 222 00:10:21,770 --> 00:10:19,410 really quite yeah there's the skunk ape 223 00:10:23,900 --> 00:10:21,780 of course and then of course Sasquatch 224 00:10:28,010 --> 00:10:23,910 which is a native native name and that 225 00:10:30,950 --> 00:10:28,020 there's all sorts of other kinds and 226 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:30,960 there are even in in the flap areas as 227 00:10:36,170 --> 00:10:32,850 we call them that we investigate areas 228 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:36,180 where there is seemingly very frequent 229 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:38,250 paranormal phenomena of different kinds 230 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:39,690 that traditionally wouldn't be related 231 00:10:44,300 --> 00:10:41,250 but we think they are you know like 232 00:10:46,670 --> 00:10:44,310 Bigfoot or UFOs ghosts and all those you 233 00:10:51,190 --> 00:10:46,680 would have different kinds of big feet 234 00:10:54,020 --> 00:10:51,200 or Bigfoot's who are noticed a band just 235 00:10:56,540 --> 00:10:54,030 joined our third expedition our being 236 00:10:58,460 --> 00:10:56,550 sir way and and myself to the 237 00:11:00,170 --> 00:10:58,470 Pennsylvania Triangle where several 238 00:11:04,730 --> 00:11:00,180 kinds of Bigfoot have been observed 239 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:04,740 including by us actually aspire to me 240 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:07,650 well seemingly yeah this is since I was 241 00:11:15,980 --> 00:11:11,370 last on and this is a given western 242 00:11:18,020 --> 00:11:15,990 Pennsylvania and in May of 2016 243 00:11:19,430 --> 00:11:18,030 Shane sere way I believe you know who 244 00:11:21,140 --> 00:11:19,440 Shane is I think he might have been on 245 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:21,150 your show he's one of the few 246 00:11:26,360 --> 00:11:23,250 investigators we'll work with 247 00:11:28,490 --> 00:11:26,370 he's a Blackfoot shaman and a very feet 248 00:11:31,130 --> 00:11:28,500 on the ground investigator which is a 249 00:11:33,020 --> 00:11:31,140 very good combination and Shane and I 250 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:33,030 did the first two expeditions there 251 00:11:40,940 --> 00:11:37,010 totaled about five days and on the first 252 00:11:42,650 --> 00:11:40,950 expedition there in May of sixteen I was 253 00:11:44,030 --> 00:11:42,660 up in this field taking pictures of a 254 00:11:46,970 --> 00:11:44,040 lot of strange lights in the sky and 255 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:46,980 Shane was down in a wooded area and 256 00:11:51,980 --> 00:11:50,010 actually broad daylight looked up from 257 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:51,990 the console of his truck and he happened 258 00:11:57,890 --> 00:11:55,130 to see a large black hairy creature in 259 00:12:00,290 --> 00:11:57,900 between two trees he thought it was a 260 00:12:03,050 --> 00:12:00,300 bear because this is bear country but it 261 00:12:05,900 --> 00:12:03,060 he started the truck and took off after 262 00:12:08,690 --> 00:12:05,910 it and it it took off to the right and 263 00:12:11,420 --> 00:12:08,700 he reported these huge arms it was on 264 00:12:13,420 --> 00:12:11,430 two legs arm swinging back and forth and 265 00:12:16,580 --> 00:12:13,430 three deer being flushed in the process 266 00:12:19,910 --> 00:12:16,590 on September 16th we were back there and 267 00:12:21,380 --> 00:12:19,920 I have my own sighting I believe I was 268 00:12:24,050 --> 00:12:21,390 looking for something entirely do you 269 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:24,060 think after 47 years of paranormal work 270 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:25,650 I'd know that things never happened the 271 00:12:29,930 --> 00:12:28,170 way you expect them to and I had some 272 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:29,940 cameras and I was looking for lights in 273 00:12:34,370 --> 00:12:31,410 the sky as we had photographed the 274 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:34,380 previous May so it was a brilliant 275 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:37,170 moonlit night Friday night and something 276 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:39,090 caught my attention to the right and I 277 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:42,330 in the bright moonlight I saw maybe 200 278 00:12:47,540 --> 00:12:44,810 feet away at the very most a large 279 00:12:48,670 --> 00:12:47,550 two-legged creature with brown fur as 280 00:12:52,010 --> 00:12:48,680 much as you could tell on the light 281 00:12:54,140 --> 00:12:52,020 which was rather bright and I remember 282 00:12:55,940 --> 00:12:54,150 the huge knees and legs moving up and 283 00:12:58,220 --> 00:12:55,950 down and its head was bent as if looking 284 00:13:00,260 --> 00:12:58,230 for something in the grass I snapped an 285 00:13:03,020 --> 00:13:00,270 infrared picture through the closed cold 286 00:13:06,830 --> 00:13:03,030 window of the truck naturally got no 287 00:13:09,310 --> 00:13:06,840 heat signature I got out very slowly 288 00:13:11,810 --> 00:13:09,320 my phone rings and it was Ben's mom 289 00:13:14,150 --> 00:13:11,820 noticed I ever came to divorce Paul why 290 00:13:16,100 --> 00:13:14,160 didn't you turn the phone off I said I 291 00:13:17,510 --> 00:13:16,110 kind of knew this Bigfoot thing so I 292 00:13:20,470 --> 00:13:17,520 answered the phone I live in the middle 293 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:20,480 of a Bigfoot sightings is that what I 294 00:13:26,030 --> 00:13:22,530 mean who's gonna call me in the middle 295 00:13:27,770 --> 00:13:26,040 of the night and in the fields anyway so 296 00:13:30,290 --> 00:13:27,780 then Ben came just this is just last 297 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:30,300 weekend and we spent two nights there 298 00:13:33,860 --> 00:13:31,650 and we're gonna be going back again 299 00:13:37,940 --> 00:13:33,870 three days I've been wants to fill in 300 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:37,950 any of the details of the last trip why 301 00:13:46,730 --> 00:13:41,850 not I guess I mean you might as well 302 00:13:49,010 --> 00:13:46,740 just come clean you know tell them when 303 00:13:50,570 --> 00:13:49,020 you're not on the air with me that's not 304 00:13:54,050 --> 00:13:50,580 nice 305 00:13:55,940 --> 00:13:54,060 well I suppose I guess you know best to 306 00:14:01,010 --> 00:13:55,950 start at the beginning as Julie Andrews 307 00:14:04,250 --> 00:14:01,020 once said I suppose really you know when 308 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:04,260 I first got there it was well I mean 309 00:14:08,450 --> 00:14:06,570 there's a weird it's a weird place you 310 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:08,460 know there's like a big hill where a 311 00:14:13,130 --> 00:14:10,770 meteor there was a meteor strike so the 312 00:14:14,750 --> 00:14:13,140 hills full of metal you have like all 313 00:14:18,590 --> 00:14:14,760 sorts of groundwater all over the place 314 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:18,600 like you know strange like geological 315 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:21,330 formations and an old you know Native 316 00:14:26,240 --> 00:14:23,130 American village that was across the way 317 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:26,250 so I mean you know it's it has a lot of 318 00:14:33,380 --> 00:14:29,610 reasons for it to be active and I think 319 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:33,390 you know just from context clues that it 320 00:14:36,800 --> 00:14:34,650 must have been revered by the natives 321 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:36,810 who lived there years and years and 322 00:14:41,060 --> 00:14:39,570 years ago because I forget how old some 323 00:14:44,180 --> 00:14:41,070 of the artifacts were that they found 324 00:14:44,990 --> 00:14:44,190 and it was like something like 900 BC or 325 00:14:49,100 --> 00:14:45,000 something like that 326 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:49,110 it was forever ago and I guess they're 327 00:14:55,010 --> 00:14:52,490 there you know it's it's incredibly 328 00:14:58,130 --> 00:14:55,020 active place you know you go down in 329 00:14:59,750 --> 00:14:58,140 this campground next on the property the 330 00:15:02,090 --> 00:14:59,760 people we were staying with and it was 331 00:15:04,310 --> 00:15:02,100 just it was weird because you would you 332 00:15:05,900 --> 00:15:04,320 would you would sit understand I was 333 00:15:08,780 --> 00:15:05,910 standing there and you'd see this sort 334 00:15:11,420 --> 00:15:08,790 of mist sort of appear and everything 335 00:15:13,340 --> 00:15:11,430 would just be quiet no sounds no bugs 336 00:15:15,860 --> 00:15:13,350 Birds nothing and this was like you know 337 00:15:17,660 --> 00:15:15,870 middle of nowhere Pennsylvania and you 338 00:15:20,460 --> 00:15:17,670 know you can see Pittsburgh would this 339 00:15:24,460 --> 00:15:20,470 be okay 340 00:15:26,410 --> 00:15:24,470 it's about maybe two-hour drive well we 341 00:15:28,119 --> 00:15:26,420 don't want to be too specific because we 342 00:15:31,210 --> 00:15:28,129 try to protect the anonymity of people 343 00:15:32,530 --> 00:15:31,220 who live there but it's far it's you 344 00:15:34,869 --> 00:15:32,540 know it's far away from everything you 345 00:15:38,109 --> 00:15:34,879 know it's like rural Pennsylvania they'd 346 00:15:41,019 --> 00:15:38,119 be so it's you know it's it's you can 347 00:15:42,759 --> 00:15:41,029 pretty much hear a pin drop in there and 348 00:15:44,949 --> 00:15:42,769 it was you know that usually forests are 349 00:15:47,829 --> 00:15:44,959 pretty loud at night so it was it was 350 00:15:49,389 --> 00:15:47,839 quiet and you know you sort of got this 351 00:15:53,229 --> 00:15:49,399 sense that something was watching you 352 00:15:55,419 --> 00:15:53,239 you know and I don't I don't like to 353 00:16:00,879 --> 00:15:55,429 talk about the things that happened to 354 00:16:05,169 --> 00:16:00,889 me so I will refrain from doing that but 355 00:16:07,689 --> 00:16:05,179 just by giving tiny tiny la clues but 356 00:16:10,269 --> 00:16:07,699 you know tiny bits of information that I 357 00:16:14,379 --> 00:16:10,279 find relevant so the thing that I found 358 00:16:16,509 --> 00:16:14,389 most relevant was really this place was 359 00:16:19,059 --> 00:16:16,519 sort of like a hub of a bunch of 360 00:16:21,789 --> 00:16:19,069 different you know I don't say well you 361 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:21,799 worlds that sort of you know we're sort 362 00:16:26,259 --> 00:16:23,569 of intermeshing with each other but I 363 00:16:28,210 --> 00:16:26,269 guess the way our theories work as 364 00:16:30,489 --> 00:16:28,220 they've come to evolve to this point 365 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:30,499 that they're sort of like world clusters 366 00:16:35,919 --> 00:16:33,410 that hang around each other like they're 367 00:16:36,999 --> 00:16:35,929 closer to us than others so a world in 368 00:16:39,069 --> 00:16:37,009 which you know Bigfoot's inhabit 369 00:16:41,769 --> 00:16:39,079 happened to be closer to this place then 370 00:16:44,109 --> 00:16:41,779 I don't know they they found footprints 371 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:44,119 that were almost bug like like big 372 00:16:50,309 --> 00:16:48,170 footprints like or you know they they 373 00:16:54,220 --> 00:16:50,319 showed us pictures of just like you know 374 00:16:55,989 --> 00:16:54,230 wet footprints just on like concrete and 375 00:16:57,369 --> 00:16:55,999 stuff like whether you'd see footprints 376 00:16:59,379 --> 00:16:57,379 start like if somebody like stepped in 377 00:17:00,939 --> 00:16:59,389 like a puddle would like bare feet it 378 00:17:02,710 --> 00:17:00,949 just would walk and leave tracks like 379 00:17:05,679 --> 00:17:02,720 these they would just start from nowhere 380 00:17:08,829 --> 00:17:05,689 and then disappear like that kind of 381 00:17:10,689 --> 00:17:08,839 stuff so you know I I think that the 382 00:17:12,970 --> 00:17:10,699 world the world in which the Bigfoot 383 00:17:15,189 --> 00:17:12,980 then inhabit or Sasquatch or whatever 384 00:17:19,149 --> 00:17:15,199 you name you want to assign to these 385 00:17:22,179 --> 00:17:19,159 creatures happened to be closer than all 386 00:17:25,449 --> 00:17:22,189 the other all the other ones so it's I 387 00:17:29,019 --> 00:17:25,459 find it interesting that sites like this 388 00:17:30,789 --> 00:17:29,029 tend to keep people very close to it 389 00:17:32,350 --> 00:17:30,799 like people who've lived there all their 390 00:17:33,730 --> 00:17:32,360 lives you know 391 00:17:35,650 --> 00:17:33,740 who've left and ended up moving back 392 00:17:37,150 --> 00:17:35,660 it's really interesting these people 393 00:17:39,100 --> 00:17:37,160 sort of feel they even said that you 394 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:39,110 know I feel pulled back to where you 395 00:17:42,580 --> 00:17:40,610 know I grew up and there's like yeah 396 00:17:44,500 --> 00:17:42,590 yeah it's really it's really interesting 397 00:17:45,970 --> 00:17:44,510 you know it's it's fun to study because 398 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:45,980 you know you learn something every time 399 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:49,250 you go there I'm not a point out to that 400 00:17:53,230 --> 00:17:51,650 Heidi you're plenty of your shadow 401 00:17:59,919 --> 00:17:53,240 people are around there too 402 00:18:02,890 --> 00:17:59,929 strange lights people which one I was 403 00:18:03,460 --> 00:18:02,900 attempting to make a joke dinner oh I'm 404 00:18:04,900 --> 00:18:03,470 sorry 405 00:18:07,570 --> 00:18:04,910 I thought you were saying a shadow 406 00:18:09,190 --> 00:18:07,580 people related to cook or something but 407 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:09,200 that would make more sense this Kevin 408 00:18:15,490 --> 00:18:13,010 guy I'm not surprised I mean honestly 409 00:18:17,470 --> 00:18:15,500 these dark entities they hang around any 410 00:18:20,789 --> 00:18:17,480 kind of paranormal activity going on and 411 00:18:24,250 --> 00:18:20,799 it's a it just seems to be this rampant 412 00:18:25,659 --> 00:18:24,260 crazy phenomena all over the globe it 413 00:18:28,630 --> 00:18:25,669 doesn't seem to matter if it's a 414 00:18:31,330 --> 00:18:28,640 haunting or or a lot of UFO activity 415 00:18:33,340 --> 00:18:31,340 people report seeing movement in the 416 00:18:36,310 --> 00:18:33,350 woods whether it's like a bigfooter or 417 00:18:37,780 --> 00:18:36,320 shadowy thing moving about so it's like 418 00:18:39,970 --> 00:18:37,790 what you what you saw though Paulie 419 00:18:41,470 --> 00:18:39,980 didn't have a snout I mean Paul or Ben 420 00:18:42,909 --> 00:18:41,480 they didn't have like a bear kind of 421 00:18:46,900 --> 00:18:42,919 snout or didn't move like the four 422 00:18:48,430 --> 00:18:46,910 footed no it wasn't a canine because we 423 00:18:51,610 --> 00:18:48,440 cover that in the book to the upright 424 00:18:53,940 --> 00:18:51,620 canine cryptids which a term that we and 425 00:18:57,159 --> 00:18:53,950 Linda Godfrey who with whom we quote 426 00:18:58,900 --> 00:18:57,169 prefers a great deal more readily to 427 00:19:01,930 --> 00:18:58,910 that the term werewolf 428 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:01,940 you know and it's interesting to Kevin 429 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:04,610 and Heidi is what you bore I think or we 430 00:19:10,450 --> 00:19:07,730 think what you bring with you to these 431 00:19:12,370 --> 00:19:10,460 areas will determine your experience in 432 00:19:15,490 --> 00:19:12,380 many ways in other words there was a 433 00:19:16,990 --> 00:19:15,500 little girl 9 years old this is the 434 00:19:19,390 --> 00:19:17,000 second neighborhood meeting when I first 435 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:19,400 won Ben attended just that this last 436 00:19:29,169 --> 00:19:21,290 weekend and tell me you didn't use her 437 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:29,179 as bait or something but she was she was 438 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:32,210 crying she had a really scary Bigfoot 439 00:19:37,659 --> 00:19:35,690 experience and you know her parents 440 00:19:39,100 --> 00:19:37,669 wanted her to tell us about it but she 441 00:19:41,140 --> 00:19:39,110 didn't really know us we hadn't met her 442 00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:41,150 previously and you know naturally she's 443 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:43,130 a little shy hopefully next time she'll 444 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:45,770 tell us about it but it was quite 445 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:47,690 frightening she said however my 446 00:19:53,620 --> 00:19:50,930 experience was very positive 447 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:53,630 Ben and I tried to be as spiritual as we 448 00:19:57,370 --> 00:19:55,850 can and I brought my sons up too you 449 00:19:59,140 --> 00:19:57,380 know when they enter the woods or the 450 00:20:04,000 --> 00:19:59,150 fields to do so with respect and 451 00:20:07,180 --> 00:20:04,010 humility and a little prayer and to do 452 00:20:08,860 --> 00:20:07,190 so within the peace of one's heart and 453 00:20:11,500 --> 00:20:08,870 that's the spirit in which I sat in that 454 00:20:13,540 --> 00:20:11,510 field and my experience on September 455 00:20:16,530 --> 00:20:13,550 16th last year it was very positive I 456 00:20:19,450 --> 00:20:16,540 felt privileged I felt at peace and 457 00:20:21,430 --> 00:20:19,460 certainly not threatened in any way so 458 00:20:23,860 --> 00:20:21,440 other people have really scary 459 00:20:25,330 --> 00:20:23,870 experiences I think it might be the 460 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:25,340 attitude of would you go in and he'd go 461 00:20:29,590 --> 00:20:26,810 over them with a rifle I want to shoot 462 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:29,600 the thing like some people we know that 463 00:20:34,300 --> 00:20:31,490 you will probably have a negative 464 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:34,310 experience and perhaps one that and in 465 00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:36,170 the book we were counter Oblates 466 00:20:41,290 --> 00:20:39,280 the late Rob Riggs who was from Texas 467 00:20:43,390 --> 00:20:41,300 investigating the the Big Thicket area 468 00:20:45,460 --> 00:20:43,400 which I'm sure that you've heard of yeah 469 00:20:47,620 --> 00:20:45,470 an experience that he had with them a 470 00:20:49,540 --> 00:20:47,630 close encounter with Bigfoot where it 471 00:20:52,180 --> 00:20:49,550 was pitch-black and the thing was 472 00:20:53,650 --> 00:20:52,190 howling at him he said it was so loud 473 00:20:57,790 --> 00:20:53,660 that you could feel your chest cavity 474 00:20:59,740 --> 00:20:57,800 vibrate and he said that that but he did 475 00:21:02,350 --> 00:20:59,750 not feel as though he was in danger he 476 00:21:04,570 --> 00:21:02,360 felt as though he was it was attempting 477 00:21:06,220 --> 00:21:04,580 to communicate just let him know that it 478 00:21:08,530 --> 00:21:06,230 knew he was there and that it was there 479 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:08,540 or he was there and he didn't feel 480 00:21:13,690 --> 00:21:11,210 threatened either Rob always had respect 481 00:21:16,810 --> 00:21:13,700 as well so I think it depends on what 482 00:21:17,380 --> 00:21:16,820 you bring with you peanut butter peanut 483 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:17,390 butter 484 00:21:27,550 --> 00:21:25,610 well yes supposedly that's a Bobo wow 485 00:21:29,860 --> 00:21:27,560 that is crazy I've only experienced like 486 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:29,870 that that rib rattling I know what 487 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:30,410 you're talking about 488 00:21:36,490 --> 00:21:32,330 when there's Harley fest in Milwaukee 489 00:21:40,890 --> 00:21:36,500 yeah oh my god the whole city rumbles 490 00:21:46,750 --> 00:21:45,370 eighty-five CC scooter oh nice that's 491 00:21:48,850 --> 00:21:46,760 not true you have an actual motorcycle 492 00:21:52,140 --> 00:21:48,860 well I have a 450 yeah but will they 493 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:55,470 oh goodness God that is wild stuff so 494 00:22:00,210 --> 00:21:57,730 I'm curious what do you think about the 495 00:22:02,310 --> 00:22:00,220 the missing for 1/1 stuff do you think 496 00:22:04,620 --> 00:22:02,320 that's Bigfoot related that they're 497 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:04,630 abducting little kids like this this 498 00:22:10,110 --> 00:22:08,290 girl that got terrified well there there 499 00:22:12,630 --> 00:22:10,120 is some opinion in that direction I 500 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:12,640 don't I tend to until I had my 501 00:22:15,780 --> 00:22:14,530 experience you know I've been and I 502 00:22:18,090 --> 00:22:15,790 would be lecturing and people would walk 503 00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:18,100 up to us and say well I had this really 504 00:22:22,410 --> 00:22:20,320 positive experience with Bigfoot or with 505 00:22:24,990 --> 00:22:22,420 some other thing and I take it with a 506 00:22:26,610 --> 00:22:25,000 pillar of salt you know but not now that 507 00:22:28,830 --> 00:22:26,620 it's happened to me I'm a little more 508 00:22:30,780 --> 00:22:28,840 open-minded about it that maybe we're 509 00:22:33,630 --> 00:22:30,790 dealing with a very positive species 510 00:22:36,260 --> 00:22:33,640 that is perhaps able to come and go and 511 00:22:38,910 --> 00:22:36,270 what what are the the circumstantial 512 00:22:42,090 --> 00:22:38,920 things that that we consider it very 513 00:22:44,970 --> 00:22:42,100 seriously is that the military we always 514 00:22:47,850 --> 00:22:44,980 run into the military in flat berries 515 00:22:50,460 --> 00:22:47,860 all well and the notes are something 516 00:22:52,140 --> 00:22:50,470 that looks like the military case that 517 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:52,150 we haven't quite tracked down the center 518 00:22:54,990 --> 00:22:53,290 of a yeah we thought we might have been 519 00:22:56,370 --> 00:22:55,000 there last week but that but they're our 520 00:22:59,370 --> 00:22:56,380 information is that we were on the wrong 521 00:23:00,600 --> 00:22:59,380 talking up the wrong tree however other 522 00:23:03,450 --> 00:23:00,610 people have noticed that low-flying 523 00:23:05,310 --> 00:23:03,460 c-130 is dropping stuff out and and 524 00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:05,320 other flap areas that they're very very 525 00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:06,730 prominent sometimes they don't care who 526 00:23:11,910 --> 00:23:09,120 knows that even ground troops are there 527 00:23:15,390 --> 00:23:11,920 our theory is that wouldn't they love to 528 00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:15,400 know how Bigfoot comes and goes in areas 529 00:23:19,620 --> 00:23:17,250 where there was no way there could be a 530 00:23:21,630 --> 00:23:19,630 large population without it being 531 00:23:23,250 --> 00:23:21,640 noticed such as western Pennsylvania 532 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:23,260 where you have yeah you have large 533 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:24,970 tracts of woods but are not that large 534 00:23:29,580 --> 00:23:27,250 and you have farm country where you have 535 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:29,590 a large open clear space isn't this 536 00:23:33,750 --> 00:23:31,420 where do they come from and good where 537 00:23:35,790 --> 00:23:33,760 do they go to and maybe they'd love to 538 00:23:37,260 --> 00:23:35,800 know how they do this and this is where 539 00:23:38,490 --> 00:23:37,270 the multi-verse comes in and the 540 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:38,500 government knowledge of it and then the 541 00:23:42,450 --> 00:23:40,210 desire to weaponize it so I think that's 542 00:23:46,890 --> 00:23:42,460 maybe a start to an answer to why the 543 00:23:52,620 --> 00:23:46,900 military's involved but cookies and arms 544 00:23:54,390 --> 00:23:52,630 that be kind of wild exactly yes well 545 00:23:56,850 --> 00:23:54,400 we're coming up to our bottom of the 546 00:23:58,410 --> 00:23:56,860 hour breaker but we'll be right back and 547 00:24:00,120 --> 00:23:58,420 get into this I want to talk more about 548 00:24:02,819 --> 00:24:00,130 the military thing in a minute we'll be 549 00:24:07,060 --> 00:24:05,319 well it's great to be back with Paul Ben 550 00:24:08,289 --> 00:24:07,070 and Heidi and I once again I want to 551 00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:08,299 mention the book is behind the 552 00:24:13,049 --> 00:24:10,690 paranormal - Bigfoot Mothman and 553 00:24:15,699 --> 00:24:13,059 monsters you've never heard of and I 554 00:24:20,199 --> 00:24:15,709 guess it's available what Paul it's 555 00:24:21,819 --> 00:24:20,209 Amazon and Barnes Noble Amazon behind 556 00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:21,829 apparent on the one is available at 557 00:24:27,159 --> 00:24:23,929 Barnes & Noble and and other bookstores 558 00:24:29,999 --> 00:24:27,169 this one is brand new and we had to 559 00:24:31,839 --> 00:24:30,009 bring it out quickly the distribution is 560 00:24:36,209 --> 00:24:31,849 what's something we have yet to figure 561 00:24:39,609 --> 00:24:36,219 out but it is available on Amazon okay 562 00:24:41,199 --> 00:24:39,619 well you know actually as weird you know 563 00:24:43,389 --> 00:24:41,209 life is changing I think one of the 564 00:24:46,719 --> 00:24:43,399 things I quote you a lot on some of the 565 00:24:51,089 --> 00:24:46,729 shows is you know everything these days 566 00:24:53,109 --> 00:24:51,099 upside down and downsides up and 567 00:24:56,019 --> 00:24:53,119 everything's just different than it ever 568 00:24:57,759 --> 00:24:56,029 was but I've come to find out just 569 00:25:00,190 --> 00:24:57,769 recently that Barnes and Noble is losing 570 00:25:03,039 --> 00:25:00,200 like 50 million dollars a year 571 00:25:05,469 --> 00:25:03,049 everybody's doing Amazon yeah I know it 572 00:25:16,649 --> 00:25:05,479 I mean that's a chunk to lose yeah I 573 00:25:22,569 --> 00:25:19,659 some of these are doing well Amazon 574 00:25:25,289 --> 00:25:22,579 opened up a bookstore here in Chicago 575 00:25:28,299 --> 00:25:25,299 and they're opening up more and more and 576 00:25:29,739 --> 00:25:28,309 yeah they're nothing like like Barnes 577 00:25:32,649 --> 00:25:29,749 ennoble oh no you got a you got a 578 00:25:37,299 --> 00:25:32,659 totally type in Google brick-and-mortar 579 00:25:39,399 --> 00:25:37,309 by Amazon stores and yeah nothing like 580 00:25:41,139 --> 00:25:39,409 the the Barnes & Noble stores where you 581 00:25:43,449 --> 00:25:41,149 can sit down well I shouldn't say that 582 00:25:46,029 --> 00:25:43,459 this one has a cafe my understandings 583 00:25:48,069 --> 00:25:46,039 other ones don't have cafes but they're 584 00:25:49,869 --> 00:25:48,079 they're rather small all the books face 585 00:25:53,049 --> 00:25:49,879 out none of them are put on their edge 586 00:25:54,789 --> 00:25:53,059 and independently published books get 587 00:25:57,729 --> 00:25:54,799 the opportunity to be in their 588 00:26:00,819 --> 00:25:57,739 bookstores as long as they have like I 589 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:00,829 don't know like a whole bunch of book 590 00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:02,690 reviews with four and a half stars so 591 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:05,329 I'm trying to get my Jesus book in there 592 00:26:08,469 --> 00:26:07,129 actually because I have 90 reviews and 593 00:26:12,810 --> 00:26:08,479 I'm at four and a half stars I'm like 594 00:26:17,250 --> 00:26:14,930 the Nature Publishing is changing 595 00:26:18,990 --> 00:26:17,260 radically and then it's just that's just 596 00:26:23,070 --> 00:26:19,000 the way it is the trouble is you wonder 597 00:26:24,540 --> 00:26:23,080 about quality control any dummy can 598 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:24,550 write a book and usually does and 599 00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:25,810 hopefully that there's not include 600 00:26:32,910 --> 00:26:30,370 present company and or ourselves no it's 601 00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,920 a it's a new world well I don't know 602 00:26:36,540 --> 00:26:34,480 it's a world I don't like though I 603 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:36,550 really don't know I love it well you can 604 00:26:44,370 --> 00:26:41,770 stay in Texas I guess no I've got it 605 00:26:49,020 --> 00:26:44,380 fixed all that I will not be buried here 606 00:26:53,490 --> 00:26:49,030 in Texas I don't care ok I can't I'm 607 00:26:57,060 --> 00:26:53,500 afraid I'll haunt this place doors he'll 608 00:27:00,540 --> 00:26:57,070 be leaving soon I got some questions 609 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:00,550 from the chat room that's cool so this 610 00:27:06,120 --> 00:27:02,770 comes from Russ and he's asking if you 611 00:27:08,610 --> 00:27:06,130 guys ever use a GoPro camera or a dash 612 00:27:10,530 --> 00:27:08,620 camera to catch images because the dash 613 00:27:13,530 --> 00:27:10,540 cam can record 10 seconds before an 614 00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:13,540 event if you like say hit something so 615 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:16,510 it's like oh so I don't know can you 616 00:27:19,830 --> 00:27:18,250 tack that to your body and go trumping 617 00:27:22,770 --> 00:27:19,840 through the woods and see if you catch 618 00:27:25,410 --> 00:27:22,780 something mm it's kind of kind of a cool 619 00:27:28,110 --> 00:27:25,420 idea well I don't know if Emma wants to 620 00:27:29,580 --> 00:27:28,120 tackle that one but we have one of the 621 00:27:36,060 --> 00:27:29,590 reasons we team up with Shane is he has 622 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:36,070 all the the gear trail cams we have a 623 00:27:41,370 --> 00:27:38,290 lot of experience and we have the basics 624 00:27:43,500 --> 00:27:41,380 I use my cell phone I've apps for that 625 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:43,510 sort of thing it mounted to use it like 626 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:46,570 a dash cam but we are working on getting 627 00:27:50,940 --> 00:27:47,890 better equipment traditionally we've 628 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:50,950 never relied a lot on high tech but 629 00:27:54,270 --> 00:27:52,090 traditionally we've been ghost 630 00:27:55,500 --> 00:27:54,280 researchers and that sort of thing and I 631 00:27:56,850 --> 00:27:55,510 don't really trust a lot of the tech 632 00:27:58,920 --> 00:27:56,860 that has to do with that and you know 633 00:28:02,160 --> 00:27:58,930 you can EMF meter could now although we 634 00:28:04,020 --> 00:28:02,170 do use it and they can pick up signals 635 00:28:05,730 --> 00:28:04,030 from a rate our rate 12 miles away I 636 00:28:08,580 --> 00:28:05,740 don't know how accurate is this however 637 00:28:11,490 --> 00:28:08,590 the Bigfoot thing with us is kind of new 638 00:28:14,370 --> 00:28:11,500 and I can see where certainly the trail 639 00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:14,380 cams have been valuable and the infrared 640 00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:16,720 stuff which I have we have some of but 641 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:20,080 we need upgrade our stuff and if anybody 642 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:24,650 has a $500,000 to spare let us know 643 00:28:30,610 --> 00:28:28,010 but we're getting there but Shane kind 644 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:30,620 of makes up for our lack of equipment 645 00:28:39,340 --> 00:28:36,290 yeah I enjoyed it but you know so 646 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:39,350 weren't you kind of through your 647 00:28:43,300 --> 00:28:41,570 military intelligence contacts kind of 648 00:28:46,090 --> 00:28:43,310 told don't snoop too deeply into that 649 00:28:48,220 --> 00:28:46,100 area or well that well not that area 650 00:28:51,100 --> 00:28:48,230 this the one in Central Connecticut the 651 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:51,110 Litchfield triangle and Leah and we have 652 00:28:55,270 --> 00:28:52,730 very little that we found the center of 653 00:28:58,240 --> 00:28:55,280 the military corporate or whatever 654 00:28:59,920 --> 00:28:58,250 activity it is everything is really 655 00:29:07,180 --> 00:28:59,930 fishy we have people watching the place 656 00:29:09,790 --> 00:29:07,190 and we were told by a contact that to 657 00:29:11,470 --> 00:29:09,800 back off it was a way of saying that 658 00:29:13,810 --> 00:29:11,480 something's really going on now in the 659 00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:13,820 Pennsylvania case we thought we've we 660 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:16,570 may have pinned down the equivalent 661 00:29:21,460 --> 00:29:19,610 property but we've been told that at 662 00:29:23,050 --> 00:29:21,470 least so far that that's we're on the 663 00:29:25,450 --> 00:29:23,060 wrong track so now that may or may not 664 00:29:27,490 --> 00:29:25,460 be true but but this Pennsylvanian case 665 00:29:29,350 --> 00:29:27,500 is really new so but the connecticut 666 00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:29,360 case we've been working on since o5 as a 667 00:29:33,250 --> 00:29:31,250 matter of fact it was one of Ben's first 668 00:29:35,950 --> 00:29:33,260 two cases that and the Haunted policeman 669 00:29:37,780 --> 00:29:35,960 of Vermont so we have pictures of him at 670 00:29:40,930 --> 00:29:37,790 the age of 13 using our first video 671 00:29:43,030 --> 00:29:40,940 camera in the original house in the 672 00:29:47,290 --> 00:29:43,040 center of that case so we have a 673 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:47,300 pedigree with that so it's bigger I do 674 00:29:51,610 --> 00:29:49,010 know from personal experience I have to 675 00:29:54,010 --> 00:29:51,620 be kind of cagey about describing it but 676 00:29:59,820 --> 00:29:54,020 there was a figure that Heidi's familiar 677 00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:59,830 with by ex pseudo brother-in-law Hey he 678 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:02,000 he's telepathic and I it's a whole 679 00:30:13,690 --> 00:30:10,870 not much know and what it was was he was 680 00:30:16,330 --> 00:30:13,700 doing me wrong in some way and actually 681 00:30:19,870 --> 00:30:16,340 had a local FBI supervisor tell me to 682 00:30:22,090 --> 00:30:19,880 leave him alone and I said a bunch of 683 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:22,100 expletives and so I'm not gonna leave 684 00:30:25,180 --> 00:30:23,690 him well as a matter of fact he was kind 685 00:30:27,370 --> 00:30:25,190 of halfway threatening me and I said I 686 00:30:31,020 --> 00:30:27,380 don't the hell with you I'm gonna call 687 00:30:35,350 --> 00:30:31,030 Janet Reno and I did and in other words 688 00:30:37,090 --> 00:30:35,360 he was trying to protect his boy and so 689 00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:37,100 what I'm saying is I shouldn't be that 690 00:30:40,919 --> 00:30:38,640 crude on the air but I'm he 691 00:30:44,250 --> 00:30:40,929 but I'm saying I was a harder bitten 692 00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:44,260 devil in those days and any rate like a 693 00:30:49,289 --> 00:30:46,720 long story short yes he had a paranormal 694 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:49,299 context to him and the government was 695 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:50,770 basically trying to protect him from my 696 00:30:55,380 --> 00:30:53,770 wrath is what it was no that's that's 697 00:30:57,419 --> 00:30:55,390 been that goes back to the 50s and 698 00:30:59,070 --> 00:30:57,429 projects the Stargate later on and then 699 00:31:01,140 --> 00:30:59,080 response to various Soviet programs 700 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:01,150 where they were experimenting with 701 00:31:05,370 --> 00:31:02,650 psychics and this sort of thing and 702 00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:05,380 again I don't know I think perhaps since 703 00:31:11,870 --> 00:31:08,080 then or me well you can argue that 704 00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,880 interest by the government bat you into 705 00:31:16,350 --> 00:31:13,919 the weird 706 00:31:19,529 --> 00:31:16,360 properties of physics and its effect on 707 00:31:21,210 --> 00:31:19,539 the world you can trace it back perhaps 708 00:31:25,139 --> 00:31:21,220 even as far as the Civil War maybe 709 00:31:28,620 --> 00:31:25,149 before that so their old hands at this 710 00:31:30,810 --> 00:31:28,630 kind of thing and as we say you know 711 00:31:32,820 --> 00:31:30,820 it's not the existence of aliens and 712 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:32,830 UFOs the P they'd be afraid of people 713 00:31:35,490 --> 00:31:34,090 finding out because I don't think 714 00:31:37,620 --> 00:31:35,500 everybody pretty much knows that there's 715 00:31:39,539 --> 00:31:37,630 somewhere or even that they're visiting 716 00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:39,549 I think it's the idea that if this 717 00:31:43,409 --> 00:31:41,529 multi-verse thing is true these worlds 718 00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:43,419 are right then and these inhabitants are 719 00:31:47,730 --> 00:31:44,590 right next to us all the time 720 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:47,740 and know how to access that's the scary 721 00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:49,570 bit that might wreck Society and they're 722 00:31:56,519 --> 00:31:54,159 apparently Anonymous thinks that NASA is 723 00:31:58,919 --> 00:31:56,529 getting close to disclosure the group 724 00:32:02,100 --> 00:31:58,929 Anonymous the hack something like that 725 00:32:04,380 --> 00:32:02,110 yeah what do we mean by disclosure I 726 00:32:06,570 --> 00:32:04,390 mean how can we even know if that's true 727 00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:06,580 you know what why is somebody somebody's 728 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:08,110 gonna draw a cartoon of an alien and 729 00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:13,450 release it the point I mean you know 730 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:16,809 it's it's it's kind of you know moot 731 00:32:21,210 --> 00:32:19,330 moot but you know how can you even trust 732 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:21,220 the government you know it's like people 733 00:32:25,620 --> 00:32:22,330 that people push them for the disclosure 734 00:32:27,149 --> 00:32:25,630 movement or like oh well you know if if 735 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:27,159 there's like an invasion coming we 736 00:32:30,419 --> 00:32:28,570 should know about it and it's like well 737 00:32:32,039 --> 00:32:30,429 what makes you think they'd tell you and 738 00:32:34,110 --> 00:32:32,049 what makes you think it would be true in 739 00:32:38,130 --> 00:32:34,120 the first place because I don't trust a 740 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:38,140 word that comes after all this time 741 00:32:42,779 --> 00:32:39,730 you're right it's like so they've 742 00:32:46,139 --> 00:32:42,789 they've had an allegiance to a secret 743 00:32:50,100 --> 00:32:46,149 for god knows how long and now they're 744 00:32:50,580 --> 00:32:50,110 finally gonna peel back the veil and go 745 00:32:52,380 --> 00:32:50,590 hey 746 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:52,390 okay alright we lied 747 00:32:57,900 --> 00:32:54,010 but believe us now so I get what you're 748 00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:57,910 saying that makes sense I'm sorry go 749 00:33:00,390 --> 00:32:58,090 ahead 750 00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:00,400 no no I'm just the other this this is 751 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:03,360 the 70th anniversary supposedly of the 752 00:33:08,550 --> 00:33:07,210 of the the the real sightings that got 753 00:33:10,850 --> 00:33:08,560 everybody all excited of the Kenneth 754 00:33:13,470 --> 00:33:10,860 Arnold and all that and Roswell in 47 755 00:33:19,620 --> 00:33:13,480 and it's ironic it's also the 70th 756 00:33:27,570 --> 00:33:19,630 anniversary of our station wo n 1240 so 757 00:33:31,890 --> 00:33:27,580 that makes you wonder too right I don't 758 00:33:34,110 --> 00:33:31,900 know but but you know Minh I did invoke 759 00:33:34,830 --> 00:33:34,120 Janet Reno and and some others and a 760 00:33:39,420 --> 00:33:34,840 congressman 761 00:33:43,020 --> 00:33:39,430 the FBI disappeared like like mist hmm 762 00:33:48,540 --> 00:33:43,030 and this guy Oh Paul he would make a 763 00:33:52,460 --> 00:33:48,550 great story himself he's it's he's a 764 00:33:57,090 --> 00:33:52,470 fugitive from a Stephen King novel dear 765 00:34:05,100 --> 00:33:57,100 and the whole family is just slithering 766 00:34:07,260 --> 00:34:05,110 dirt I never acted married her but but 767 00:34:09,060 --> 00:34:07,270 she was a oh she was real beautiful but 768 00:34:11,370 --> 00:34:09,070 she was a witch and everything else just 769 00:34:13,950 --> 00:34:11,380 no place for a guy from the east coast 770 00:34:16,260 --> 00:34:13,960 to be I mean it's her name Ann Coulter 771 00:34:19,230 --> 00:34:16,270 come on now tell me no I love Ann 772 00:34:22,830 --> 00:34:19,240 Coulter this what's a really thing you 773 00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:22,840 know I love Ann Coulter but really it 774 00:34:28,230 --> 00:34:26,649 was a deal where okay there was a buddy 775 00:34:30,270 --> 00:34:28,240 of mine I might have told you about him 776 00:34:33,210 --> 00:34:30,280 but he was like he's a green beret 777 00:34:35,550 --> 00:34:33,220 Master Sergeant and he was one of my 778 00:34:38,580 --> 00:34:35,560 best friends he's deceased now but but 779 00:34:40,380 --> 00:34:38,590 what it was he's actually a a technical 780 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:40,390 sergeant of West Point to which shows he 781 00:34:46,050 --> 00:34:42,130 was pretty good in the you know in his 782 00:34:48,419 --> 00:34:46,060 field mm as a drill instructor and what 783 00:34:50,909 --> 00:34:48,429 I'm saying is he said Kevin I've met 784 00:34:53,250 --> 00:34:50,919 more weirdos in Texas than anywhere else 785 00:34:58,110 --> 00:34:53,260 and he'd been in the Army for 22 years 786 00:35:02,130 --> 00:34:58,120 you know reached a high level to see all 787 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:02,140 that had a cosmic clearance and he said 788 00:35:05,849 --> 00:35:04,210 more weirdos per square inch in Texas 789 00:35:08,999 --> 00:35:05,859 than anywhere 790 00:35:14,039 --> 00:35:09,009 anywhere that sounds right saying a lot 791 00:35:17,700 --> 00:35:14,049 yes you know at one time the retired 792 00:35:19,289 --> 00:35:17,710 Special Forces agency was going to deal 793 00:35:22,979 --> 00:35:19,299 with this fella for me and I told him 794 00:35:27,089 --> 00:35:22,989 not to but I appreciate the offer though 795 00:35:29,249 --> 00:35:27,099 and but he's still to this point still 796 00:35:31,259 --> 00:35:29,259 fouling the planet so anyway that's 797 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:31,269 that's all remind me not to get on 798 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:34,930 Kevin's bad side yeah mmm well I'd 799 00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:36,970 snored they asked me they called me do 800 00:35:39,539 --> 00:35:38,049 you want me to do something about him 801 00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:39,549 you know the guy from the you know 802 00:35:44,099 --> 00:35:41,440 retired Special Forces Association I 803 00:35:47,749 --> 00:35:44,109 said no just let him go let him rot in 804 00:35:52,380 --> 00:35:50,210 but I'd but I mean I've had 805 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:52,390 unfortunately very negative experiences 806 00:35:56,519 --> 00:35:53,650 here in Texas but they have been 807 00:35:57,660 --> 00:35:56,529 colorful they really have I mean on the 808 00:36:02,009 --> 00:35:57,670 bright side at least you have some good 809 00:36:03,720 --> 00:36:02,019 stories out of it exactly but I did in 810 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:03,730 fairness I did set out to kill him a 811 00:36:11,309 --> 00:36:06,970 couple times and I'm gonna say this on 812 00:36:13,529 --> 00:36:11,319 here he has no filter just to see you 813 00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:13,539 guys no no I mean I didn't kill him he's 814 00:36:19,019 --> 00:36:16,569 still polluting the planet and I but he 815 00:36:20,910 --> 00:36:19,029 remember he's telepathic and psychic and 816 00:36:22,009 --> 00:36:20,920 I no sooner want to show up that he 817 00:36:25,729 --> 00:36:22,019 disappeared 818 00:36:28,979 --> 00:36:25,739 he's like remember that olds movie with 819 00:36:30,569 --> 00:36:28,989 Kurt I forget the reactor but I think 820 00:36:32,729 --> 00:36:30,579 he's the one married to Goldie Hawn or 821 00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:32,739 something but that's not Russell Kerr 822 00:36:37,349 --> 00:36:35,049 Russell Big Trouble in Little China he 823 00:36:39,390 --> 00:36:37,359 was talking about lo pan the the villain 824 00:36:43,499 --> 00:36:39,400 in that movie and he said he's not the 825 00:36:47,789 --> 00:36:43,509 man he's a bit eeeem that's what this 826 00:36:49,589 --> 00:36:47,799 guy was like anyway I'm just telling I 827 00:36:53,519 --> 00:36:49,599 just give you insights of my association 828 00:36:57,120 --> 00:36:53,529 with the paranormal and none of the 829 00:36:59,609 --> 00:36:57,130 Carmelites are listening well now a 830 00:37:00,809 --> 00:36:59,619 third order car boy died I haven't kill 831 00:37:03,420 --> 00:37:00,819 anybody in many years 832 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:03,430 I just set out to kill a fly just now so 833 00:37:09,690 --> 00:37:06,130 apologies for the swatting sound unless 834 00:37:11,069 --> 00:37:09,700 the commlite Buddhist know but I mean 835 00:37:12,660 --> 00:37:11,079 you know I'm a lot better fella than I 836 00:37:13,259 --> 00:37:12,670 was then but I mean I was a little more 837 00:37:14,579 --> 00:37:13,269 hard-bitten 838 00:37:16,309 --> 00:37:14,589 but I mean this guy is enough to make 839 00:37:20,309 --> 00:37:16,319 you want to go set out to kill him 840 00:37:23,430 --> 00:37:20,319 really the question is was he a cryptid 841 00:37:27,900 --> 00:37:23,440 no but he's not normal the whole family 842 00:37:30,359 --> 00:37:27,910 is is different well some of the things 843 00:37:33,089 --> 00:37:30,369 we run into in these flat areas are 844 00:37:33,900 --> 00:37:33,099 really difficult to they don't have 845 00:37:36,180 --> 00:37:33,910 names yet 846 00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:36,190 you know hence the the last part of the 847 00:37:45,870 --> 00:37:39,130 title monsters you never heard of you 848 00:37:47,999 --> 00:37:45,880 know there is though there's one weird 849 00:37:49,849 --> 00:37:48,009 thing about impalas I sometimes I 850 00:37:52,859 --> 00:37:49,859 missing 851 00:37:54,959 --> 00:37:52,869 maybe it's like Stockholm Syndrome at 852 00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:54,969 this point yeah there you go 853 00:38:00,209 --> 00:37:57,729 my goodness well done he had a good 854 00:38:03,150 --> 00:38:00,219 sense of humor I guess I thought he did 855 00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:03,160 and I know he left just a few minutes 856 00:38:07,559 --> 00:38:05,440 before I was gonna go remove him from 857 00:38:09,329 --> 00:38:07,569 this planet he left and I know he was 858 00:38:16,289 --> 00:38:09,339 abused the thought that I get there and 859 00:38:18,509 --> 00:38:16,299 stop my little good David hey I don't 860 00:38:20,130 --> 00:38:18,519 mean give you a negative insight into me 861 00:38:21,779 --> 00:38:20,140 but I mean you know it's hard to you 862 00:38:25,189 --> 00:38:21,789 know you can't prana bear all the time 863 00:38:28,650 --> 00:38:25,199 and expect him to just you know smile 864 00:38:30,660 --> 00:38:28,660 but very Heidi's heard enough about him 865 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:30,670 over all these many years but he is the 866 00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:36,729 third wheel in this show I don't know 867 00:38:40,109 --> 00:38:38,170 his first name I don't know his last 868 00:38:42,660 --> 00:38:40,119 name I don't know what he exactly did 869 00:38:44,689 --> 00:38:42,670 for a living I just know that Kevin 870 00:38:48,959 --> 00:38:44,699 could never own a computer 871 00:38:57,439 --> 00:38:48,969 no I can't because he put a lot of no 872 00:39:02,549 --> 00:39:00,239 have a governmental association is what 873 00:39:05,459 --> 00:39:02,559 I'm saying with the paranormal is love 874 00:39:12,539 --> 00:39:05,469 and that's the reason the FBI was trying 875 00:39:15,539 --> 00:39:12,549 to protect him mm-hmm but we are anyways 876 00:39:17,219 --> 00:39:15,549 back to the gobbledygook of creatures 877 00:39:19,469 --> 00:39:17,229 you're gonna name one something 878 00:39:20,910 --> 00:39:19,479 something you know and you said that 879 00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:20,920 some of them don't exist and they don't 880 00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:22,690 have any names but if you discover them 881 00:39:27,930 --> 00:39:24,880 like I discovered shadow people in the 882 00:39:31,439 --> 00:39:27,940 Hat man you could name it enormous or 883 00:39:32,350 --> 00:39:31,449 something even I never thought of 884 00:39:37,450 --> 00:39:32,360 working in the 885 00:39:39,670 --> 00:39:37,460 the singular surname however had been we 886 00:39:41,470 --> 00:39:39,680 recently discovered the because 887 00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:41,480 everybody knows about the chupacabra 888 00:39:47,350 --> 00:39:43,040 there's no there's also the chupa 889 00:39:48,750 --> 00:39:47,360 corn-on-the-cob rrah that sap Ossabaw I 890 00:39:52,540 --> 00:39:48,760 don't we were working I went to that 891 00:39:53,710 --> 00:39:52,550 then there's in the Connecticut case the 892 00:39:56,260 --> 00:39:53,720 one we've been working on for so many 893 00:40:00,460 --> 00:39:56,270 years there's the people if people have 894 00:40:02,500 --> 00:40:00,470 reported the odd box like beings with 895 00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:02,510 strange legs you know sort of bouncing 896 00:40:07,540 --> 00:40:06,050 by the windows outside very very tall we 897 00:40:10,900 --> 00:40:07,550 I guess we have enough but what Ben 898 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:10,910 actually named one species I don't know 899 00:40:15,430 --> 00:40:12,170 if I'd call it a crypt it's more of a 900 00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:15,440 neighbor race to ours 901 00:40:21,010 --> 00:40:19,040 yeah the clerics who have turned up here 902 00:40:24,250 --> 00:40:21,020 and there in paranormal history a very 903 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:24,260 very tall very thin and very often 904 00:40:28,660 --> 00:40:25,970 wearing masks over their faces because 905 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:28,670 that's when they do when they pray they 906 00:40:36,340 --> 00:40:33,530 are very reverent they are very positive 907 00:40:39,610 --> 00:40:36,350 very quiet and generous species as far 908 00:40:41,890 --> 00:40:39,620 as we've ever seen and they do tend to 909 00:40:43,240 --> 00:40:41,900 be a Guardians I suppose mean they're 910 00:40:45,070 --> 00:40:43,250 not spirits I mean they're they're 911 00:40:46,900 --> 00:40:45,080 they're perfectly physical beings in 912 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:46,910 their own worlds and that's an example 913 00:40:51,370 --> 00:40:48,650 but the Boxee things we have a name 914 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:51,380 there those yet have we been progressive 915 00:41:09,130 --> 00:40:54,410 you can name one progressive you haven't 916 00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:09,140 seen the compressed progressive first 917 00:41:14,260 --> 00:41:10,610 thing came to my head in like a box 918 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:14,270 talking that's progressive at a 919 00:41:18,220 --> 00:41:16,250 conversation with them but they they do 920 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:18,230 seem to be present present sometimes and 921 00:41:22,690 --> 00:41:20,450 particularly in this this Litchfield 922 00:41:24,730 --> 00:41:22,700 County case in Connecticut where lots 923 00:41:27,550 --> 00:41:24,740 and lots of worlds come together at this 924 00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:27,560 is a point one in the Triangle which is 925 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:30,800 an arbitrary you know geographical form 926 00:41:36,190 --> 00:41:32,450 I think but we have to get your handle 927 00:41:38,980 --> 00:41:36,200 around it somehow yeah point 10.2 is the 928 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:38,990 strange farm that's not a farm where the 929 00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:41,810 base seems to be and then point three is 930 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:43,520 something then I'm sure doesn't want to 931 00:41:47,790 --> 00:41:45,410 get into because of the bizarre 932 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:47,800 that he had there when he identified it 933 00:41:53,860 --> 00:41:51,650 but someone else was looking for it 934 00:41:55,330 --> 00:41:53,870 can we hear more about that one that a 935 00:41:59,290 --> 00:41:55,340 role Ben 936 00:42:00,930 --> 00:41:59,300 well you see it was a dark and stormy 937 00:42:04,060 --> 00:42:00,940 night 938 00:42:10,260 --> 00:42:04,070 clearly afternoon in February it was a 939 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:14,350 well we were shooting a pilot episode 940 00:42:18,730 --> 00:42:16,850 for a show that never came to fruition 941 00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:18,740 and I've never sounded that we've ever 942 00:42:25,570 --> 00:42:23,510 seen the video to this day not which is 943 00:42:27,370 --> 00:42:25,580 disappointing because my father claims 944 00:42:29,590 --> 00:42:27,380 to have seen me float off the ground at 945 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:29,600 one point and I have yet to see this for 946 00:42:35,350 --> 00:42:31,610 myself so I still hold the utmost 947 00:42:38,170 --> 00:42:35,360 skepticism for this so we parked across 948 00:42:39,910 --> 00:42:38,180 the street after triangulating points in 949 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:39,920 this triangle and we came to the 950 00:42:44,500 --> 00:42:42,530 conclusion ah here it is in the middle 951 00:42:48,070 --> 00:42:44,510 of nowhere across the street from a Boys 952 00:42:50,410 --> 00:42:48,080 and Girls Club campground or whatever so 953 00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:50,420 you know we get out of the car my dad's 954 00:42:53,950 --> 00:42:52,610 talking with with the camera guy or the 955 00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:53,960 producer and the director and the 956 00:42:57,790 --> 00:42:56,000 producer has the camera over his 957 00:43:00,010 --> 00:42:57,800 shoulder so there they're talking or 958 00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:00,020 whatever and so I go over to this stone 959 00:43:05,890 --> 00:43:03,410 circle that's particularly placed and I 960 00:43:07,770 --> 00:43:05,900 was like wow this is weird so I was like 961 00:43:10,810 --> 00:43:07,780 it was like a there's like a big stone 962 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:10,820 in the middle and then four stones 963 00:43:15,250 --> 00:43:13,010 around it like policed and like a circle 964 00:43:17,710 --> 00:43:15,260 so it was like Oh what would happen if I 965 00:43:21,550 --> 00:43:17,720 if I touch this so I did and there was 966 00:43:23,650 --> 00:43:21,560 this great blinding light and I couldn't 967 00:43:26,260 --> 00:43:23,660 see anything and I couldn't open my eyes 968 00:43:28,660 --> 00:43:26,270 and wide enough to be able to see 969 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:28,670 anything outside of this light Wow 970 00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:30,890 so I was wandering around I was like 971 00:43:35,890 --> 00:43:32,480 trying to find like something to 972 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:35,900 stabilize myself so I I went over to 973 00:43:40,450 --> 00:43:38,090 this tree I put my hand on this tree and 974 00:43:44,650 --> 00:43:40,460 then I don't remember anything I 975 00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:44,660 remember waking up in the mud wow that's 976 00:43:51,850 --> 00:43:46,880 amazing you were out for almost ten 977 00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:51,860 minutes he does this it happened to 978 00:43:57,670 --> 00:43:55,610 Rendlesham forest - oh yeah 979 00:43:59,290 --> 00:43:57,680 so you're weird the weird guy in the 980 00:44:03,070 --> 00:43:59,300 movie that will go and kick them on 981 00:44:05,500 --> 00:44:03,080 stur to see if it's dead and that gets 982 00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:05,510 eaten because you'll just volunteer to 983 00:44:12,730 --> 00:44:08,810 do the darndest things no I'm I'm more 984 00:44:15,310 --> 00:44:12,740 like the guy that I can't think of any 985 00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:15,320 other equivalent yeah so I guess that's 986 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:19,490 a that's a decent decent metaphor you 987 00:44:23,020 --> 00:44:20,330 die quickly 988 00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:23,030 I got it yep which is more which is more 989 00:44:28,660 --> 00:44:26,090 extreme up all the the Connecticut 990 00:44:30,850 --> 00:44:28,670 triangle or the Pennsylvania triangle 991 00:44:33,010 --> 00:44:30,860 well it's difficult to sit they're all 992 00:44:34,930 --> 00:44:33,020 kind of unique Connecticut probably I'd 993 00:44:37,150 --> 00:44:34,940 have to say because we call it 994 00:44:38,830 --> 00:44:37,160 Connecticut's skinwalker ranch but we've 995 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:38,840 been investigating it 996 00:44:43,150 --> 00:44:40,970 you know since oh five so twelve years 997 00:44:44,590 --> 00:44:43,160 we've only been investigating the 998 00:44:45,370 --> 00:44:44,600 Pennsylvania case for a little over a 999 00:44:48,580 --> 00:44:45,380 year well 1000 00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:48,590 yeah little over a year and it's we're 1001 00:44:52,240 --> 00:44:50,690 just discovering more as we go now some 1002 00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:52,250 people might say well the more you look 1003 00:44:55,540 --> 00:44:53,450 for the more you're going to find well 1004 00:44:58,300 --> 00:44:55,550 maybe that's true and maybe it's 1005 00:45:00,580 --> 00:44:58,310 legitimate the whole the whole flat bury 1006 00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:00,590 a triangle thing is a bit arbitrary but 1007 00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:03,200 again as I say you have to get some sort 1008 00:45:07,780 --> 00:45:05,330 of jumping-off point or some kind of 1009 00:45:10,300 --> 00:45:07,790 handle on the thing and that's what you 1010 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:10,310 know but how do you tell what's outside 1011 00:45:14,350 --> 00:45:12,890 of a flat bury and it might be related 1012 00:45:17,830 --> 00:45:14,360 to something else or to nothing in 1013 00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:17,840 particular and then so what we see one 1014 00:45:20,830 --> 00:45:19,040 of the things we look for is is 1015 00:45:23,860 --> 00:45:20,840 different people having different kinds 1016 00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:23,870 of experiences in the same area 1017 00:45:28,660 --> 00:45:25,910 what we had our first neighborhood 1018 00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:28,670 meeting in September was we had 20 1019 00:45:32,220 --> 00:45:30,530 people show up our neighborhood meeting 1020 00:45:35,470 --> 00:45:32,230 this time we had like 10 people show up 1021 00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:35,480 and everybody in this area has had some 1022 00:45:40,810 --> 00:45:39,050 kind of experience usually Bigfoot 1023 00:45:43,180 --> 00:45:40,820 there's a lot of emphasis on Bigfoot in 1024 00:45:45,970 --> 00:45:43,190 this in this area whereas in Connecticut 1025 00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:45,980 so far the emphasis seems to be that 1026 00:45:48,910 --> 00:45:47,570 there is some Bigfoot activity but the 1027 00:45:52,870 --> 00:45:48,920 emphasis seems to be on quote unquote 1028 00:45:54,130 --> 00:45:52,880 ghostly phenomena and the the lights and 1029 00:45:55,570 --> 00:45:54,140 the sky and this kind of thing which you 1030 00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:55,580 wouldn't ordinarily associate in the 1031 00:46:00,310 --> 00:45:57,770 classical sense one of the strangest 1032 00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:00,320 things in the Connecticut triangle is 1033 00:46:05,710 --> 00:46:03,680 that in an area in the Torrington Goshen 1034 00:46:07,450 --> 00:46:05,720 area there was a neighborhood where 1035 00:46:08,530 --> 00:46:07,460 there were a number of break-ins but 1036 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:08,540 nothing was stolen 1037 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:11,330 and so one family and cops never got 1038 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:11,970 anywhere with it 1039 00:46:16,730 --> 00:46:14,370 one family put in security cameras 1040 00:46:18,020 --> 00:46:16,740 inside their house and they went out one 1041 00:46:21,050 --> 00:46:18,030 day and they came back and there was a 1042 00:46:24,050 --> 00:46:21,060 shot of this thing standing at their 1043 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:24,060 kitchen sink and some people have have 1044 00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:26,930 interpreted as a reptilian some 1045 00:46:32,180 --> 00:46:29,520 certainly is a new but it's their plain 1046 00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:32,190 as day and taken by security camera and 1047 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:35,010 we don't disseminate it because we've 1048 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:37,770 been asked not to by the people while 1049 00:46:42,020 --> 00:46:39,450 occasionally flow Ben and I will flash 1050 00:46:44,210 --> 00:46:42,030 it during lectures times but really 1051 00:46:48,410 --> 00:46:44,220 really I mean something that again 1052 00:46:50,540 --> 00:46:48,420 doesn't have a name and so there you go 1053 00:46:51,770 --> 00:46:50,550 I mean these are the tips of the iceberg 1054 00:46:54,170 --> 00:46:51,780 and it seems to be that the the 1055 00:46:56,750 --> 00:46:54,180 paranormal is completely normal and the 1056 00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:56,760 normal state of our world is these weird 1057 00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:59,280 into interconnections between different 1058 00:47:03,110 --> 00:47:00,720 worlds with different inhabitants some 1059 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:03,120 of whom are very aware of us and some of 1060 00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:05,130 us are quite aware of them but we think 1061 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:06,960 they're ghosts or spirits or something 1062 00:47:09,470 --> 00:47:08,010 like this because what else could they 1063 00:47:12,260 --> 00:47:09,480 because we'd ever studied in physics 1064 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:12,270 class sleestaks so anyways here's a 1065 00:47:21,110 --> 00:47:18,950 Russ is asking again another question 1066 00:47:24,110 --> 00:47:21,120 he's asking if you ever found evidence 1067 00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:24,120 that connects ley lines where they 1068 00:47:30,230 --> 00:47:28,170 intersect I don't know if you want to 1069 00:47:32,180 --> 00:47:30,240 take that but but we've gotten that 1070 00:47:35,870 --> 00:47:32,190 question a bunch of times and I found 1071 00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:35,880 the answer is both yes and no and I I 1072 00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:39,030 think I think they you know in an 1073 00:47:43,340 --> 00:47:41,130 attempt to map a map it out I think I 1074 00:47:45,380 --> 00:47:43,350 think at one point in time yes these 1075 00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:45,390 energies would would have been in 1076 00:47:50,810 --> 00:47:48,720 certain places like a lot of you know 1077 00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:50,820 pagan ritual sites were built on ley 1078 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:53,280 lines a lot of old ancient churches as 1079 00:47:59,270 --> 00:47:56,010 well in like the first second third air 1080 00:48:01,070 --> 00:47:59,280 they're an era third third centuries 1081 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:01,080 they they were built and like all sorts 1082 00:48:05,450 --> 00:48:02,490 of places that were supposed to be on 1083 00:48:08,090 --> 00:48:05,460 ley lines like now I'm trying to think 1084 00:48:10,340 --> 00:48:08,100 the Rosslyn Rosslyn Chapel in England is 1085 00:48:11,540 --> 00:48:10,350 supposedly built on ley lines but I mean 1086 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:11,550 you know some of these energies they 1087 00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:14,850 tend to move change and places that were 1088 00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:17,520 once you know powerful flap areas are 1089 00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:19,530 now no more they're now moved all over 1090 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:22,380 the place it's I think I think I think 1091 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:25,890 you know an attempt to pigeonhole 1092 00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:28,580 things that we don't understand is bound 1093 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:32,400 to fail because these things don't tend 1094 00:48:36,350 --> 00:48:34,650 to stay in the same places for you know 1095 00:48:37,460 --> 00:48:36,360 you know they said sometimes they stay 1096 00:48:39,170 --> 00:48:37,470 in places for a long period of time 1097 00:48:41,390 --> 00:48:39,180 sometimes they don't I don't know it 1098 00:48:43,130 --> 00:48:41,400 seems to be a mixed bag well if I'm 1099 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:43,140 faking this echo what been said I don't 1100 00:48:49,580 --> 00:48:47,010 got a break coming but the the old idea 1101 00:48:52,010 --> 00:48:49,590 of ley lines at least as espoused by 1102 00:48:54,650 --> 00:48:52,020 Alfred Watkins in England was sort of a 1103 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:54,660 net extending over there today we might 1104 00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:56,970 call it electromagnetic but as Ben said 1105 00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:00,480 we find that these things move so ley 1106 00:49:03,890 --> 00:49:02,250 lines I'm not you know I don't know if 1107 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:03,900 the classical interpret interpretation 1108 00:49:07,820 --> 00:49:05,490 is correct I would associate it more 1109 00:49:09,170 --> 00:49:07,830 with the telluric current things of this 1110 00:49:11,330 --> 00:49:09,180 kind that are well known to science 1111 00:49:12,740 --> 00:49:11,340 electrical phenomena that move over the 1112 00:49:15,380 --> 00:49:12,750 surface or just under the surface of the 1113 00:49:17,780 --> 00:49:15,390 earth and and as Ben said I mean I mean 1114 00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:17,790 I stood in the score Hill stone circle 1115 00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:21,810 in Devonshire in England in 1989 and not 1116 00:49:26,300 --> 00:49:23,970 only could I not take a photograph that 1117 00:49:28,310 --> 00:49:26,310 was in focus people told me that 1118 00:49:31,850 --> 00:49:28,320 sometimes there would be more stones one 1119 00:49:34,820 --> 00:49:31,860 day than the next and I would stand 1120 00:49:39,710 --> 00:49:34,830 there and I watched line this is this is 1121 00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:39,720 a crummy Wednesday March top of the hour 1122 00:49:45,290 --> 00:49:43,890 break we'll be right okay boss great 1123 00:49:47,300 --> 00:49:45,300 feedback with Paul and Benny know 1124 00:49:51,620 --> 00:49:47,310 they're great guests and the high D is 1125 00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:51,630 not too bad ourselves and Ida feels with 1126 00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:53,210 the paranormal 1127 00:49:58,010 --> 00:49:55,920 now one thing Paul I have to admit my 1128 00:49:59,810 --> 00:49:58,020 only association with the paranormal 1129 00:50:01,730 --> 00:49:59,820 anymore I used to be a lot rougher cut 1130 00:50:05,810 --> 00:50:01,740 individual that I am now I'm kind of 1131 00:50:07,310 --> 00:50:05,820 like acting like sweet as apple pie or 1132 00:50:10,970 --> 00:50:07,320 something now it's nice to be 1133 00:50:12,740 --> 00:50:10,980 hard-bitten right I mean you know the 1134 00:50:14,570 --> 00:50:12,750 mob did want to hire me at one time to 1135 00:50:16,370 --> 00:50:14,580 be an enforcer and stuff like that but 1136 00:50:17,990 --> 00:50:16,380 now I'm everything everything only 1137 00:50:19,340 --> 00:50:18,000 association I have with the paranormal 1138 00:50:21,650 --> 00:50:19,350 is in the Catholic Church and 1139 00:50:23,810 --> 00:50:21,660 everything's just hum hunky-dory and 1140 00:50:29,530 --> 00:50:23,820 fine but Heidi's got all these demons 1141 00:50:38,900 --> 00:50:37,280 don't do with those guys but it's more 1142 00:50:39,290 --> 00:50:38,910 like people you know people coming 1143 00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:39,300 seeking 1144 00:50:42,290 --> 00:50:41,040 help and advice about stuff do you guys 1145 00:50:44,900 --> 00:50:42,300 get that a lot where you have people 1146 00:50:47,630 --> 00:50:44,910 seeking answers to help remedy something 1147 00:50:48,770 --> 00:50:47,640 they are personally dealing with day in 1148 00:50:50,420 --> 00:50:48,780 and day out mmm 1149 00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:50,430 you know sometimes I write to Bend 1150 00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:52,380 separately and me separately but you 1151 00:50:57,980 --> 00:50:54,770 know it's it's it's pretty incessant 1152 00:51:17,030 --> 00:50:57,990 because he speaks text message that way 1153 00:51:18,290 --> 00:51:17,040 it has been it's so bad I find that 1154 00:51:20,570 --> 00:51:18,300 people that write me from other 1155 00:51:23,810 --> 00:51:20,580 countries have a lot better grammar it's 1156 00:51:25,250 --> 00:51:23,820 not necessarily we have a pure she's a 1157 00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:25,260 lovely person but she writes from 1158 00:51:30,380 --> 00:51:26,220 Eastern Europe 1159 00:51:32,570 --> 00:51:30,390 she writes texts in an accent I have to 1160 00:51:34,550 --> 00:51:32,580 kind of get through it but I mean 1161 00:51:36,380 --> 00:51:34,560 generally we have a lot of people you 1162 00:51:38,170 --> 00:51:36,390 know the other thing with Facebook Ben 1163 00:51:41,780 --> 00:51:38,180 got me into it cuz we needed it for PR 1164 00:51:43,610 --> 00:51:41,790 for a show and now he's like the best 1165 00:51:47,240 --> 00:51:43,620 part he's amazing at Facebook he's like 1166 00:51:49,720 --> 00:51:47,250 a product 1,300 people I don't have 13 1167 00:51:53,570 --> 00:51:49,730 have her friends I've never heard of 1168 00:51:56,660 --> 00:51:53,580 they listen and and we all do it but I 1169 00:51:59,450 --> 00:51:56,670 just you know people are always writing 1170 00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:59,460 but the thing is with us you know as you 1171 00:52:03,500 --> 00:52:00,960 know our theories and methods are rather 1172 00:52:05,870 --> 00:52:03,510 different and people will still listen 1173 00:52:07,370 --> 00:52:05,880 to our show for 10 years we're gonna in 1174 00:52:10,670 --> 00:52:07,380 our 10th year and there are still people 1175 00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:10,680 who we're talking about the old-time 1176 00:52:14,840 --> 00:52:13,410 19th century classic paranormal 1177 00:52:16,250 --> 00:52:14,850 approaches to things and they asked us 1178 00:52:18,290 --> 00:52:16,260 advice in those terms and we have to 1179 00:52:20,180 --> 00:52:18,300 kind of explain gently that we're not 1180 00:52:21,770 --> 00:52:20,190 really look at it that way and it's it's 1181 00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:21,780 six of one half dozen or the other maybe 1182 00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:24,930 but maybe not and but there very often 1183 00:52:29,810 --> 00:52:27,210 it's difficult to deal with cases in 1184 00:52:31,910 --> 00:52:29,820 Australia yeah 1185 00:52:35,900 --> 00:52:31,920 jump in our Gulfstream and you know zip 1186 00:52:38,300 --> 00:52:35,910 down there kind of thing and but we just 1187 00:52:39,950 --> 00:52:38,310 we have a questionnaire we send and we 1188 00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:39,960 just ask people to give us full 1189 00:52:46,070 --> 00:52:43,530 information when we can trust anyone 1190 00:52:47,420 --> 00:52:46,080 which is almost never we will turn cases 1191 00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:47,430 over to them if they're proximate to 1192 00:52:51,080 --> 00:52:49,290 this this area the only people the only 1193 00:52:53,210 --> 00:52:51,090 person really trust 1194 00:52:55,970 --> 00:52:53,220 and then unless you have somebody else I 1195 00:52:59,330 --> 00:52:55,980 don't know about is ashamed seer way 1196 00:53:01,610 --> 00:52:59,340 really yeah I suppose sir certainly I 1197 00:53:03,830 --> 00:53:01,620 think what we know Susan Shepherd and 1198 00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:03,840 West Virginia pretty well and she she 1199 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:05,490 kind of knows what the score is so we 1200 00:53:10,040 --> 00:53:07,650 would not hesitate to recommend her but 1201 00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:10,050 there's a rule that just people ask you 1202 00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:12,570 know who are you gonna call and we say 1203 00:53:18,290 --> 00:53:15,480 well nobody that we know of I mean who 1204 00:53:20,420 --> 00:53:18,300 may be in your area so that's so we do 1205 00:53:22,490 --> 00:53:20,430 get all sorts of things day in and day 1206 00:53:25,250 --> 00:53:22,500 out some of which are pretty pretty 1207 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:25,260 bizarre about cryptids or about UFOs 1208 00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:26,970 possible abductions and certainly about 1209 00:53:34,130 --> 00:53:29,370 the ghosts poltergeists a dough person 1210 00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:34,140 thing actually heidi actually was a host 1211 00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:38,610 on that CBS oh what was it this station 1212 00:53:42,620 --> 00:53:41,400 the network CBS had is an affiliate so 1213 00:53:48,500 --> 00:53:42,630 that you were on heidi what was it 1214 00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:48,510 called oh this guy network I'm sure the 1215 00:53:52,310 --> 00:53:49,770 same thing happened to you though right 1216 00:53:54,050 --> 00:53:52,320 the end of our show at the end of 2013 1217 00:53:59,510 --> 00:53:54,060 they sell out closing the whole part of 1218 00:54:01,700 --> 00:53:59,520 the network actually that what they 1219 00:54:03,770 --> 00:54:01,710 wanted to do that since they know you 1220 00:54:06,440 --> 00:54:03,780 and I were friends they wanted me to 1221 00:54:08,510 --> 00:54:06,450 follow you on one night and have like a 1222 00:54:11,300 --> 00:54:08,520 back-to-back show or something and I 1223 00:54:13,820 --> 00:54:11,310 didn't know yeah everything they thought 1224 00:54:16,580 --> 00:54:13,830 since you know we had similar interests 1225 00:54:20,330 --> 00:54:16,590 and all that any rate what happened is 1226 00:54:22,610 --> 00:54:20,340 everything went kerplunk and well is it 1227 00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:22,620 a decision made out of corporate yeah I 1228 00:54:26,810 --> 00:54:24,330 know there were a couple of shows making 1229 00:54:28,490 --> 00:54:26,820 money and that was it so with you on 1230 00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:28,500 Sunday following you your show or 1231 00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:29,400 something that would have been 1232 00:54:35,270 --> 00:54:33,000 interesting over here I jumped over Dan 1233 00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:35,280 inception in my show exploded with 1234 00:54:39,350 --> 00:54:37,770 numbers much bigger than I had ever had 1235 00:54:42,140 --> 00:54:39,360 over at that network I guess that must 1236 00:54:45,170 --> 00:54:42,150 we get from yeah we get we get good 1237 00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:45,180 numbers here I mean we don't make enough 1238 00:54:52,970 --> 00:54:49,200 money to buy hamburgers but I mean but 1239 00:54:55,730 --> 00:54:52,980 we we get tremendous numbers I one show 1240 00:54:58,520 --> 00:54:55,740 we did recently did a million listeners 1241 00:55:03,350 --> 00:54:58,530 of one no that's great the one this 1242 00:55:04,460 --> 00:55:03,360 spirit daily.com the Mike Brown but and 1243 00:55:07,460 --> 00:55:04,470 that was I mean 1244 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:07,470 really phenomenal but it's just I don't 1245 00:55:12,890 --> 00:55:09,690 know the the business is a rough 1246 00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:12,900 businesses don't doubt yeah well we were 1247 00:55:16,490 --> 00:55:14,970 already I know 11240 when that happened 1248 00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,500 so we just went over there I supposedly 1249 00:55:20,089 --> 00:55:18,240 brought a lot of listeners with us so 1250 00:55:23,810 --> 00:55:20,099 we're we're pretty pleased with how 1251 00:55:26,540 --> 00:55:23,820 we're doing in there it's because alive 1252 00:55:28,970 --> 00:55:26,550 it's it's fine if you're in this you 1253 00:55:31,820 --> 00:55:28,980 know Boston Providence area but most 1254 00:55:33,830 --> 00:55:31,830 people listen to the shows when they're 1255 00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:33,840 put up and we need to get back on I to 1256 00:55:40,849 --> 00:55:38,730 all our CBS shows or in iTunes but you 1257 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:40,859 know actually believe it or not and 1258 00:55:47,810 --> 00:55:43,290 section does like something like 4.5 1259 00:55:49,030 --> 00:55:47,820 million listeners a month that's that's 1260 00:55:51,710 --> 00:55:49,040 that's pretty impressive 1261 00:55:55,760 --> 00:55:51,720 yeah are you trying to sell us a spot 1262 00:55:58,640 --> 00:55:55,770 here what oh I'm just saying that I mean 1263 00:56:00,230 --> 00:55:58,650 you know like I say we we do good in 1264 00:56:02,990 --> 00:56:00,240 numbers it just not so good in money 1265 00:56:07,099 --> 00:56:03,000 this I mean that just sounds like 1266 00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:07,109 broadcasting in general or background 1267 00:56:11,390 --> 00:56:09,690 radio than I have but you know what 1268 00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:11,400 what's interesting about now Paul see I 1269 00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:15,089 had a weird upbringing in that I you 1270 00:56:18,950 --> 00:56:17,130 know I grew I lived part of the time up 1271 00:56:20,150 --> 00:56:18,960 the Northeast and part in Florida 1272 00:56:21,859 --> 00:56:20,160 because you know my parents were 1273 00:56:25,550 --> 00:56:21,869 divorced and I live flopped back and 1274 00:56:27,890 --> 00:56:25,560 forth you know I also lived at a private 1275 00:56:30,650 --> 00:56:27,900 school for years on end and I I'd 1276 00:56:34,700 --> 00:56:30,660 escaped to come back to Florida to see 1277 00:56:38,750 --> 00:56:34,710 well enjoy them you know via Mario pace 1278 00:56:40,550 --> 00:56:38,760 it mostly but but in growing up I I know 1279 00:56:43,099 --> 00:56:40,560 one of you in Ben's theories is the 1280 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:43,109 multiverse and all that and what I'm 1281 00:56:49,339 --> 00:56:45,330 saying is my father was uniquely placed 1282 00:56:51,290 --> 00:56:49,349 and that he he's a rich no get our 1283 00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:51,300 business man but he also did a lot of 1284 00:56:57,470 --> 00:56:55,770 work for the Coast Guard as a well kind 1285 00:56:59,210 --> 00:56:57,480 of like a volunteer he hire all the 1286 00:57:01,040 --> 00:56:59,220 South Florida instructors for the Coast 1287 00:57:04,250 --> 00:57:01,050 Guard need to hobnob with Admirals and 1288 00:57:06,170 --> 00:57:04,260 all that but like there's I'm sorry well 1289 00:57:07,700 --> 00:57:06,180 he for the Coast Guard axillary he would 1290 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:07,710 hire the instructors you know there's no 1291 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:10,290 coding courses and stuff and he hired a 1292 00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:12,930 lot of admirals also just his you know 1293 00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:14,970 little front men to defense department 1294 00:57:18,850 --> 00:57:17,520 she know debry knows them up but but 1295 00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:18,860 what it was we ran 1296 00:57:22,810 --> 00:57:20,480 all kinds of stuff with a Bermuda 1297 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:22,820 Triangle as far as there's something 1298 00:57:28,150 --> 00:57:24,290 going on that had nothing to do with 1299 00:57:31,510 --> 00:57:28,160 normalcy hmm I mean I mean they'd a guy 1300 00:57:33,700 --> 00:57:31,520 would be you know there'd be a both the 1301 00:57:36,670 --> 00:57:33,710 Coast Guard would come across out off of 1302 00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:36,680 Miami and you know the cigarette it'd 1303 00:57:40,210 --> 00:57:38,240 still be burning in the ashtray and the 1304 00:57:43,090 --> 00:57:40,220 people are nowhere to be found 1305 00:57:45,580 --> 00:57:43,100 no Witter yeah stories like that yeah 1306 00:57:47,050 --> 00:57:45,590 yeah well they just jumped off the boat 1307 00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:47,060 it was shark's mouth or something 1308 00:57:52,690 --> 00:57:50,450 there's no way that's possible 1309 00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:52,700 I was on the bridge of my cutter one day 1310 00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:55,490 which was a very large one of the larger 1311 00:58:00,550 --> 00:57:58,130 ships 378 foot cutter the the Coast 1312 00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:00,560 Guard Cutter chase in right in the 1313 00:58:04,780 --> 00:58:02,450 middle of the triangles as you might say 1314 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:04,790 and I was on the bridge and also in the 1315 00:58:09,850 --> 00:58:06,890 quartermaster like like the navigator 1316 00:58:12,370 --> 00:58:09,860 starts he would he was not very 1317 00:58:16,060 --> 00:58:12,380 experienced and he said the compass was 1318 00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:16,070 a huge you know military-style ship's 1319 00:58:22,900 --> 00:58:20,090 compass was was spinning and it ran over 1320 00:58:25,540 --> 00:58:22,910 and he yelled he said you know what's 1321 00:58:26,770 --> 00:58:25,550 going on and the captain to who was on 1322 00:58:28,660 --> 00:58:26,780 the bridge to what the time turned to 1323 00:58:31,230 --> 00:58:28,670 him and said don't worry it'll be over 1324 00:58:33,370 --> 00:58:31,240 in a minute which is a minute without 1325 00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:33,380 navigation on a large ship which is not 1326 00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:37,730 good and everything was fine so apparent 1327 00:58:43,270 --> 00:58:40,690 so the the the most senior officers had 1328 00:58:46,570 --> 00:58:43,280 experienced this before I never had and 1329 00:58:48,660 --> 00:58:46,580 it was really bizarre but there were 1330 00:58:51,610 --> 00:58:48,670 other things that happen for example the 1331 00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:51,620 supposedly there's a destroyer that's 1332 00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:54,290 anchored this on station as we would say 1333 00:59:01,360 --> 00:58:57,170 or in the Mona passage not far from same 1334 00:59:03,370 --> 00:59:01,370 one and I actually saw a Navy destroyer 1335 00:59:04,990 --> 00:59:03,380 that supposedly is I couldn't really 1336 00:59:06,310 --> 00:59:05,000 find out what yeah I had a clearance but 1337 00:59:08,500 --> 00:59:06,320 it wasn't you know clearances 1338 00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:08,510 need-to-know only like nobody's gonna 1339 00:59:14,350 --> 00:59:11,890 tell me this stuff you know so it was 1340 00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,360 apparently supposed to be watching UFOs 1341 00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:16,640 coming in and out of the on of the water 1342 00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:19,370 of the Mona passage and I did when I was 1343 00:59:23,620 --> 00:59:21,200 there speak with a member of the herd 1344 00:59:24,820 --> 00:59:23,630 were Tareq and legislature who said that 1345 00:59:28,510 --> 00:59:24,830 he and his family have been having a 1346 00:59:30,310 --> 00:59:28,520 cookout on their patio which overlooked 1347 00:59:31,710 --> 00:59:30,320 the Mona passage in their San Juan and 1348 00:59:34,950 --> 00:59:31,720 the whole 1349 00:59:36,690 --> 00:59:34,960 family stamps and the this disc comes 1350 00:59:38,910 --> 00:59:36,700 out of the water and just takes off into 1351 00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:38,920 the sky is the whole family's are like 1352 00:59:44,670 --> 00:59:41,680 20 people so I mean that there are all 1353 00:59:46,800 --> 00:59:44,680 sorts of it'll be a disjointed witness 1354 00:59:49,050 --> 00:59:46,810 accounts of this thing and I did see 1355 00:59:50,490 --> 00:59:49,060 that ship out there so I don't know so 1356 00:59:51,900 --> 00:59:50,500 for what that's worth maybe that's some 1357 00:59:54,330 --> 00:59:51,910 evidence that it's really happening I 1358 00:59:55,770 --> 00:59:54,340 don't know oh it really is I mean there 1359 00:59:57,390 --> 00:59:55,780 was stuff because he talked to the 1360 01:00:01,230 --> 00:59:57,400 Admirals you know as being his cronies 1361 01:00:03,390 --> 01:00:01,240 and they said 10% of the stuff that 1362 01:00:06,300 --> 01:00:03,400 happens there's no explanation don't let 1363 01:00:08,700 --> 01:00:06,310 anybody BS you there's no explanation no 1364 01:00:10,620 --> 01:00:08,710 logical sensible explanation like coming 1365 01:00:12,270 --> 01:00:10,630 up on the boat and a cigarette would 1366 01:00:14,460 --> 01:00:12,280 might take 10 minutes to burn out that 1367 01:00:16,230 --> 01:00:14,470 ashtray and the cigarettes burning in 1368 01:00:18,690 --> 01:00:16,240 there there's nobody on the boat no sign 1369 01:00:21,450 --> 01:00:18,700 of a struggle even back the seventies 1370 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:21,460 they had you know sonar radar they had 1371 01:00:25,710 --> 01:00:23,770 they could tell if a sub came up and 1372 01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:25,720 grabbed the occupants of the boat shoved 1373 01:00:30,660 --> 01:00:28,210 off with them they could do that if a 1374 01:00:32,370 --> 01:00:30,670 plane a helicopter landed and took them 1375 01:00:34,170 --> 01:00:32,380 off they could they could see that and 1376 01:00:35,550 --> 01:00:34,180 of course on the surface of the water 1377 01:00:37,050 --> 01:00:35,560 they could in other words there's no 1378 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:37,060 where these people should have been able 1379 01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:39,490 to get to yet the Coast Guard couldn't 1380 01:00:43,740 --> 01:00:41,680 see where they well it should qualify 1381 01:00:45,660 --> 01:00:43,750 that we would sometimes run into 1382 01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:45,670 situations where there's there's a lot 1383 01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:47,530 of piracy that's wild and woolly down 1384 01:00:54,180 --> 01:00:51,810 there and they would sometimes be on 1385 01:00:55,349 --> 01:00:54,190 that they attack a vessel they wouldn't 1386 01:00:58,400 --> 01:00:55,359 even see him coming suppose it was at 1387 01:01:01,200 --> 01:00:58,410 night or conditions were poor visibility 1388 01:01:02,970 --> 01:01:01,210 kill everybody on the vessel and then 1389 01:01:04,589 --> 01:01:02,980 take the vessel repaint it user them 1390 01:01:08,250 --> 01:01:04,599 drug trafficking or some other kind of 1391 01:01:09,710 --> 01:01:08,260 swap yeah I'm talking about boaters just 1392 01:01:12,450 --> 01:01:09,720 setting just in the middle of the day 1393 01:01:14,220 --> 01:01:12,460 yeah you pick him up on the surface scan 1394 01:01:16,829 --> 01:01:14,230 anyway if there was somebody else yeah I 1395 01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:16,839 mean wait I mean no logical way these 1396 01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:18,400 people would have and by the way no 1397 01:01:21,690 --> 01:01:20,170 signs of a struggle you know not about a 1398 01:01:23,730 --> 01:01:21,700 blood or anything yeah yeah you know 1399 01:01:26,730 --> 01:01:23,740 runners you know and there was stuff 1400 01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:26,740 that was kind of head scratching and one 1401 01:01:30,930 --> 01:01:28,480 of our neighbors I got to tell you this 1402 01:01:32,849 --> 01:01:30,940 one of our neighbors a couple of our 1403 01:01:34,890 --> 01:01:32,859 neighbors were dad's barbecue buddies 1404 01:01:38,010 --> 01:01:34,900 were like Eastern Airlines pilots and 1405 01:01:40,380 --> 01:01:38,020 they'd been former Navy pilots and they 1406 01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:40,390 saw the emember the ghost of flight 401 1407 01:01:42,510 --> 01:01:41,920 with Ernest Borgnine that movie from the 1408 01:01:43,569 --> 01:01:42,520 70s 1409 01:01:46,839 --> 01:01:43,579 vaguely 1410 01:01:48,849 --> 01:01:46,849 they saw the ghost these guys were 1411 01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:48,859 veteran Navy fighter pilots all that 1412 01:01:54,069 --> 01:01:51,650 they saw the ghost on when they can when 1413 01:01:57,489 --> 01:01:54,079 the plane went down the glades that you 1414 01:01:59,109 --> 01:01:57,499 know that was the flight 401 mm-hmm they 1415 01:02:05,680 --> 01:01:59,119 cannibalize the parts to go another 1416 01:02:09,130 --> 01:02:05,690 Eastern Airlines each plane that they 1417 01:02:11,319 --> 01:02:09,140 were put on right exactly exactly like 1418 01:02:16,059 --> 01:02:11,329 organ transplants almost yeah you know 1419 01:02:17,650 --> 01:02:16,069 they asked me wonder well actually 1420 01:02:19,959 --> 01:02:17,660 believe it or not Paul believe it or not 1421 01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:19,969 the vice president of Eastern Airlines 1422 01:02:26,769 --> 01:02:23,890 that hired that guy saw the ghost really 1423 01:02:28,599 --> 01:02:26,779 yeah I mean this guy and like I say 1424 01:02:32,019 --> 01:02:28,609 dad's to barbecue buddies our neighbors 1425 01:02:34,329 --> 01:02:32,029 and right there the BMR saw this ghost 1426 01:02:36,779 --> 01:02:34,339 too and these guys were veteran Air 1427 01:02:41,469 --> 01:02:36,789 Force fighter pilots these weren't some 1428 01:02:44,380 --> 01:02:41,479 drunken doofuses yeah so I mean part of 1429 01:02:49,420 --> 01:02:44,390 where I grew up is as as weird as weird 1430 01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:49,430 gets mm-hmm I mean the but I tell you 1431 01:02:53,890 --> 01:02:51,170 what we're coming right up to our last 1432 01:02:55,870 --> 01:02:53,900 break but I'll tell you a story about 1433 01:02:59,259 --> 01:02:55,880 that real quick that might fit in with 1434 01:03:03,430 --> 01:02:59,269 your multiverse theory too because it's 1435 01:03:06,609 --> 01:03:03,440 as weird as weird gets but we you need 1436 01:03:08,739 --> 01:03:06,619 to buy this book folks you really do you 1437 01:03:10,719 --> 01:03:08,749 really do it's behind the paranormal - 1438 01:03:13,269 --> 01:03:10,729 Bigfoot Mothman and monsters you've 1439 01:03:14,859 --> 01:03:13,279 never heard of and we'll be right back 1440 01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:14,869 after our last break we'll be right 1441 01:03:20,769 --> 01:03:19,369 oh just it just quick about the South 1442 01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:20,779 Florida thing I was gonna tell you 1443 01:03:26,019 --> 01:03:23,690 Paul is these guys these two pilot 1444 01:03:28,959 --> 01:03:26,029 buddies they're my drankin buddies my 1445 01:03:31,420 --> 01:03:28,969 father you know barbecue buddies okay 1446 01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:31,430 they both saw that ghost on the that 1447 01:03:35,439 --> 01:03:33,650 cannibalized plane they both saw it in 1448 01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:35,449 addition to the vice president I mean in 1449 01:03:39,789 --> 01:03:36,799 other words these are quality guys 1450 01:03:42,609 --> 01:03:39,799 quality guys and Eastern Airlines had a 1451 01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:42,619 had a talking about your multiverse 1452 01:03:50,079 --> 01:03:45,410 theory it's very well reputed it was on 1453 01:03:53,319 --> 01:03:50,089 behind the know what was it called Ozar 1454 01:03:56,769 --> 01:03:53,329 uh Leonard Nimoy had a show in the 90s 1455 01:03:59,410 --> 01:03:56,779 a paranormal show oh yeah unexplained or 1456 01:04:01,150 --> 01:03:59,420 something yeah yeah encounter yeah that 1457 01:04:03,849 --> 01:04:01,160 explained or something like that but 1458 01:04:06,489 --> 01:04:03,859 what it was was Eastern Airlines had a 1459 01:04:08,979 --> 01:04:06,499 flight that was coming into Miami it 1460 01:04:10,420 --> 01:04:08,989 disappeared off the radar they didn't 1461 01:04:11,769 --> 01:04:10,430 know what the heck was gonna happen they 1462 01:04:13,150 --> 01:04:11,779 sent emergency vehicles down to the 1463 01:04:15,459 --> 01:04:13,160 runway it was supposed to be on and 1464 01:04:17,709 --> 01:04:15,469 everything else and it popped back on 1465 01:04:19,690 --> 01:04:17,719 after 10 minutes of being off radar and 1466 01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:19,700 landed and there was all kinds of 1467 01:04:24,699 --> 01:04:21,200 emergency vehicles on the runway were 1468 01:04:27,099 --> 01:04:24,709 you know landed and the pilot and the 1469 01:04:29,289 --> 01:04:27,109 crew came off what all the ruckus was 1470 01:04:31,900 --> 01:04:29,299 all about and they said you disappeared 1471 01:04:35,410 --> 01:04:31,910 for radar for 10 minutes hmm 1472 01:04:37,930 --> 01:04:35,420 and here's the kicker all the crew all 1473 01:04:40,449 --> 01:04:37,940 their watches were 10 minutes off 10 1474 01:04:50,249 --> 01:04:40,459 minutes late it's like the Langille ears 1475 01:04:57,509 --> 01:04:54,279 that was a bio a story about them pretty 1476 01:05:03,459 --> 01:05:01,449 I was curious uh do you guys I mean 1477 01:05:05,949 --> 01:05:03,469 you've had so many adventures that have 1478 01:05:09,279 --> 01:05:05,959 just taken you into some really 1479 01:05:11,439 --> 01:05:09,289 interesting depths of peculiarities I 1480 01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:11,449 would love to know what was one of your 1481 01:05:17,589 --> 01:05:14,809 creepier stories that really like shook 1482 01:05:20,140 --> 01:05:17,599 your world well I might turn that over 1483 01:05:23,459 --> 01:05:20,150 to Ben because in the current book is a 1484 01:05:27,309 --> 01:05:23,469 section on the Woonsocket wild man which 1485 01:05:29,739 --> 01:05:27,319 point we coined the term and Ben yeah 1486 01:05:32,259 --> 01:05:29,749 that one he had in our in our own woods 1487 01:05:35,229 --> 01:05:32,269 practically on our own doorstep I mean I 1488 01:05:38,469 --> 01:05:35,239 I don't get spooked too easily but I 1489 01:05:39,489 --> 01:05:38,479 used to have a garbage job when I was 16 1490 01:05:42,699 --> 01:05:39,499 like we all did 1491 01:05:45,099 --> 01:05:42,709 and I was at this nursing home in the 1492 01:05:47,380 --> 01:05:45,109 kitchen up the hill from where we lived 1493 01:05:50,380 --> 01:05:47,390 and Fairmount Hill is a very odd place 1494 01:05:52,719 --> 01:05:50,390 and it's only like maybe there's like 1495 01:05:55,329 --> 01:05:52,729 there's like 30 there was like 30 acres 1496 01:05:58,150 --> 01:05:55,339 of woods between where I used to work 1497 01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:58,160 and where you know I lived with my 1498 01:06:02,229 --> 01:06:00,319 parents so I would you know just walk up 1499 01:06:03,939 --> 01:06:02,239 to work instead of you know driving my 1500 01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:03,949 car which I crashed my mother's car 1501 01:06:10,340 --> 01:06:06,570 previously that because I 1502 01:06:13,340 --> 01:06:10,350 in a horrible driver so I I was walking 1503 01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:13,350 up to work one night actually after my 1504 01:06:17,210 --> 01:06:15,090 shift I worked like 4:00 to 8:00 and 1505 01:06:18,170 --> 01:06:17,220 whatever so I was I was walking back and 1506 01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:18,180 it was like summertime 1507 01:06:21,770 --> 01:06:20,130 ish so it was like still kind of light 1508 01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:21,780 out but just starting to get dark you 1509 01:06:26,090 --> 01:06:24,090 know there was a sort of unwritten rule 1510 01:06:27,290 --> 01:06:26,100 like you just don't want you just don't 1511 01:06:28,820 --> 01:06:27,300 go in the woods at night because you 1512 01:06:30,530 --> 01:06:28,830 know it's it's just it gets really 1513 01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:30,540 creepy like during the day it's like you 1514 01:06:33,290 --> 01:06:31,680 know it's fine you can walk through 1515 01:06:35,270 --> 01:06:33,300 there and like there's like trails and 1516 01:06:37,130 --> 01:06:35,280 stuff but like the night it just turns 1517 01:06:39,110 --> 01:06:37,140 into an entirely different place like it 1518 01:06:41,900 --> 01:06:39,120 just gets real creepy real foreboding 1519 01:06:43,790 --> 01:06:41,910 like it's just not it's it's just not a 1520 01:06:44,990 --> 01:06:43,800 not a good place to be in and like every 1521 01:06:46,040 --> 01:06:45,000 one of my friends all the neighbor kids 1522 01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:46,050 like you don't go in the woods at night 1523 01:06:49,940 --> 01:06:48,180 so it's like okay cool so I was like 1524 01:06:52,340 --> 01:06:49,950 it's not nighttime yet I'm proud I'm 1525 01:06:54,260 --> 01:06:52,350 probably safe so I started walking in 1526 01:06:57,140 --> 01:06:54,270 walking down the first trail to get onto 1527 01:06:58,550 --> 01:06:57,150 the main trail to walk back home and all 1528 01:07:00,920 --> 01:06:58,560 of a sudden I feel something watching me 1529 01:07:04,250 --> 01:07:00,930 so I was looking I was like looking down 1530 01:07:07,930 --> 01:07:04,260 at like my mp3 player and I look up and 1531 01:07:10,430 --> 01:07:07,940 there was this like hairy creature 1532 01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:10,440 peeping from like behind this rock and 1533 01:07:13,490 --> 01:07:12,210 they made eye contact with me and you 1534 01:07:15,080 --> 01:07:13,500 know I didn't really stick around to 1535 01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:15,090 find out what it was but I just got like 1536 01:07:20,180 --> 01:07:17,730 this really we like all the hell my hair 1537 01:07:21,950 --> 01:07:20,190 stood on end and I got this really like 1538 01:07:23,570 --> 01:07:21,960 feeling like I just got to get out of 1539 01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:23,580 here and it just rained too so 1540 01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:26,610 everything was slippery so I I booked it 1541 01:07:30,410 --> 01:07:28,530 ran as fast as I could back to my house 1542 01:07:31,820 --> 01:07:30,420 I think I said a record for getting 1543 01:07:34,370 --> 01:07:31,830 there in like five minutes 1544 01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:34,380 like after like a 30 minute walk so I 1545 01:07:38,420 --> 01:07:36,450 like slipped and slide in my way home I 1546 01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:38,430 just never went back in there again I 1547 01:07:44,630 --> 01:07:40,530 had a lot of really bleep experiences 1548 01:07:52,370 --> 01:07:44,640 because that place Kyle wow that's crazy 1549 01:07:53,780 --> 01:07:52,380 stuff my goodness I was there but I had 1550 01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:53,790 a lot of coffee that day I remember you 1551 01:08:02,270 --> 01:07:55,050 were a mess if it's the same day I'm 1552 01:08:06,350 --> 01:08:02,280 thinking this big was being a benign 1553 01:08:07,850 --> 01:08:06,360 creature then listen I don't know I just 1554 01:08:10,790 --> 01:08:07,860 know that I've had a lot of weird 1555 01:08:12,170 --> 01:08:10,800 experiences in those woods a couple 1556 01:08:13,820 --> 01:08:12,180 times there was one time I was like I 1557 01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:13,830 think I was like maybe like 11 or 12 and 1558 01:08:19,299 --> 01:08:14,970 I was walking back to my friends house 1559 01:08:21,009 --> 01:08:19,309 and I remember we were we were in the 1560 01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:21,019 we were in the woods earlier that day 1561 01:08:24,370 --> 01:08:22,729 and we heard like this clicking sound 1562 01:08:26,979 --> 01:08:24,380 like you know someone banging - rocks 1563 01:08:28,959 --> 01:08:26,989 yeah they that kind of thing and I was 1564 01:08:30,549 --> 01:08:28,969 like that's kind of weird but the thing 1565 01:08:34,059 --> 01:08:30,559 is when I walked out of the woods it 1566 01:08:35,739 --> 01:08:34,069 followed me home and you know it was I 1567 01:08:37,299 --> 01:08:35,749 was just like that's really strange so 1568 01:08:38,410 --> 01:08:37,309 my buddy went back to his house and I 1569 01:08:39,700 --> 01:08:38,420 walked down the street and I kept 1570 01:08:41,709 --> 01:08:39,710 hearing it so I turn around look around 1571 01:08:44,319 --> 01:08:41,719 nothing there but I adhere it behind me 1572 01:08:46,059 --> 01:08:44,329 again so I so I turn around wasn't there 1573 01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:46,069 so I just kept walking home and I keep 1574 01:08:48,519 --> 01:08:47,210 hearing it like clicking clicking 1575 01:08:50,410 --> 01:08:48,529 clicking clicking like it's like right 1576 01:08:51,549 --> 01:08:50,420 behind me I don't know there's a lot of 1577 01:08:53,469 --> 01:08:51,559 really creepy things that happen there 1578 01:08:54,819 --> 01:08:53,479 so I just sort of dismissed it after a 1579 01:08:56,799 --> 01:08:54,829 while just said yeah that's just how 1580 01:09:00,640 --> 01:08:56,809 this place is Wow 1581 01:09:03,569 --> 01:09:00,650 that's why oh geez Paul do share what 1582 01:09:05,559 --> 01:09:03,579 what has been probably one of the wilder 1583 01:09:08,259 --> 01:09:05,569 experiences that you've you've had 1584 01:09:10,719 --> 01:09:08,269 there's so many oh yeah well quite a few 1585 01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:10,729 but that the one I'm thinking of is in 1586 01:09:13,809 --> 01:09:12,650 the previous book behind the paranormal 1587 01:09:15,969 --> 01:09:13,819 everything you know is wrong the one 1588 01:09:18,849 --> 01:09:15,979 that came out last year and it was in 1589 01:09:20,410 --> 01:09:18,859 the Bridgeport poltergeist case of 1974 1590 01:09:22,599 --> 01:09:20,420 when I was working with Ed Lorraine 1591 01:09:25,390 --> 01:09:22,609 Warren and father Bill Charbonneau and I 1592 01:09:26,769 --> 01:09:25,400 was the only they were all gone I was in 1593 01:09:28,299 --> 01:09:26,779 the house with the family and the little 1594 01:09:30,549 --> 01:09:28,309 ten-year-old girl who seemed to be the 1595 01:09:32,829 --> 01:09:30,559 center of this a reporter and a neighbor 1596 01:09:38,769 --> 01:09:32,839 and it was a Monday night of the case 1597 01:09:40,329 --> 01:09:38,779 and a four things came out of the the 1598 01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:40,339 girls room through the kitchen down the 1599 01:09:43,689 --> 01:09:41,690 hall and into the living room where we 1600 01:09:45,939 --> 01:09:43,699 were and you could almost see these 1601 01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:45,949 glassy structures now our I was a 1602 01:09:50,349 --> 01:09:47,690 seminary student at the time I was 21 1603 01:09:51,519 --> 01:09:50,359 these were supposed to be demons spirits 1604 01:09:53,499 --> 01:09:51,529 we were waiting for permission to 1605 01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:53,509 perform an exorcism from the local 1606 01:09:58,149 --> 01:09:56,690 bishop I which never came and one of 1607 01:10:00,910 --> 01:09:58,159 these things came up to me I was trying 1608 01:10:02,469 --> 01:10:00,920 to protect the little girl I got angry 1609 01:10:03,819 --> 01:10:02,479 which made it stronger that's how I 1610 01:10:07,089 --> 01:10:03,829 found out the hard way you don't do that 1611 01:10:09,609 --> 01:10:07,099 I pushed against it it pushed back and I 1612 01:10:11,169 --> 01:10:09,619 felt a physical body I felt a physical 1613 01:10:14,290 --> 01:10:11,179 structure I felt skeletal structure 1614 01:10:16,209 --> 01:10:14,300 there was almost like that of a bird and 1615 01:10:17,709 --> 01:10:16,219 it really really threw me for a loop 1616 01:10:19,299 --> 01:10:17,719 because it's just supposed to these 1617 01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:19,309 spirits are supposed to be demons and my 1618 01:10:23,680 --> 01:10:21,440 theological education this flew in the 1619 01:10:25,180 --> 01:10:23,690 face of all that and then it I was so 1620 01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:25,190 taken aback it got around me and threw 1621 01:10:30,990 --> 01:10:27,250 the girl across the room 1622 01:10:33,209 --> 01:10:31,000 had to be probably that really shook my 1623 01:10:35,939 --> 01:10:33,219 world up to that point more than most 1624 01:10:40,350 --> 01:10:35,949 other things did Wow and you never got 1625 01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:40,360 the permission to perform what he'd 1626 01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:42,640 always called the press in now what's 1627 01:10:45,890 --> 01:10:43,930 ironic is I've been I've been a 1628 01:10:49,650 --> 01:10:45,900 newspaper magazine reporter and editor 1629 01:10:52,290 --> 01:10:49,660 for going on 40 years and the last thing 1630 01:10:53,670 --> 01:10:52,300 I would do is call in the media on this 1631 01:10:55,290 --> 01:10:53,680 stuff because they never get it right 1632 01:10:57,060 --> 01:10:55,300 and because print journalist like me 1633 01:11:00,000 --> 01:10:57,070 look down on broadcast journalist anyway 1634 01:11:03,510 --> 01:11:00,010 even though my own radio show - but in 1635 01:11:06,660 --> 01:11:03,520 any case now it it was just it was chaos 1636 01:11:08,400 --> 01:11:06,670 and I don't know I would never approach 1637 01:11:10,830 --> 01:11:08,410 it the way they did but there still it 1638 01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:10,840 was a really scary experience goodness 1639 01:11:16,350 --> 01:11:13,410 that's wild I'm looking a lot into 1640 01:11:19,770 --> 01:11:16,360 exorcisms and whatnot lately because I I 1641 01:11:21,420 --> 01:11:19,780 have way too many negative emails coming 1642 01:11:22,890 --> 01:11:21,430 to me all over the globe but in regards 1643 01:11:27,390 --> 01:11:22,900 to the shadow people and Half Men 1644 01:11:30,300 --> 01:11:27,400 yeah absolutely demonic Oh thousands I 1645 01:11:32,790 --> 01:11:30,310 usually find that it leads to it's 1646 01:11:33,930 --> 01:11:32,800 actually parasitical we don't use the 1647 01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:33,940 term demonic because it's got too much 1648 01:11:37,740 --> 01:11:35,170 baggage and I don't think there's 1649 01:11:39,870 --> 01:11:37,750 theology is the same as ours they're 1650 01:11:42,300 --> 01:11:39,880 more parasitical life forms but I think 1651 01:11:44,060 --> 01:11:42,310 we're perfectly physical in the wrong 1652 01:11:49,020 --> 01:11:44,070 was like this thing I was having a 1653 01:11:51,600 --> 01:11:49,030 conflict with in that house in 74 same 1654 01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:51,610 terms but and I was involved in a number 1655 01:11:55,260 --> 01:11:53,290 of exorcisms and the seminary because my 1656 01:11:58,350 --> 01:11:55,270 second faculty at the Summoner was very 1657 01:11:59,850 --> 01:11:58,360 sympathetic and I don't think what they 1658 01:12:01,020 --> 01:11:59,860 were doing was was the right thing I 1659 01:12:02,430 --> 01:12:01,030 don't think it was what it appeared to 1660 01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:02,440 be at all and of course like they're 1661 01:12:06,300 --> 01:12:03,850 gonna listen to me I'm a 21 year old 1662 01:12:07,770 --> 01:12:06,310 seminary student you know I always 1663 01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:07,780 wonder what happens to these people that 1664 01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:10,330 don't get the exorcism that obviously 1665 01:12:16,820 --> 01:12:12,880 has something that is really a bit too 1666 01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:16,830 close for comfort stuff for another show 1667 01:12:21,330 --> 01:12:18,850 yesterday anything you want to announce 1668 01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:21,340 before anything coming up Bernie well 1669 01:12:24,209 --> 01:12:22,960 know just said on behalf of both of us I 1670 01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:24,219 just say if you want to find out about 1671 01:12:29,490 --> 01:12:26,770 us start with the behind the paranormal 1672 01:12:31,620 --> 01:12:29,500 comm it's our will show website you get 1673 01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:31,630 700 hours of shows if you have the time 1674 01:12:35,660 --> 01:12:33,840 plus you can get our books and 1675 01:12:38,620 --> 01:12:35,670 take it from there find out about the 1676 01:12:43,250 --> 01:12:38,630 cases know what Jan you're a little busy 1677 01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:43,260 yes you've been on this show finally 1678 01:12:48,440 --> 01:12:44,730 because Paul is always fluttering over 1679 01:12:51,430 --> 01:12:48,450 this way so my schedule is finally 1680 01:12:54,020 --> 01:12:51,440 forgiving enough to allow me to be here 1681 01:12:57,310 --> 01:12:54,030 all this forgiving don't don't you make 1682 01:13:02,630 --> 01:12:57,320 it a habit to stay away anymore okay I 1683 01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:02,640 sure enjoyed having as always and I hope 1684 01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:04,770 to not be so long before I call you back 1685 01:13:08,300 --> 01:13:06,810 it sounds good thank you both very much 1686 01:13:11,870 --> 01:13:08,310 you two are wonderful together by the 1687 01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:11,880 way oh right actually I kind of love 1688 01:13:20,510 --> 01:13:18,000 Heidi it's kind of and here you guys 1689 01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:20,520 aren't bad either for being a Papa and 1690 01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:24,960 son there that's pretty now Paul if you 1691 01:13:30,140 --> 01:13:27,210 ever wanted to have me on I have about 1692 01:13:32,540 --> 01:13:30,150 ten stories that I'm totally a hundred 1693 01:13:34,340 --> 01:13:32,550 thousand percent Catholic but I mean 1694 01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:34,350 some really exotic stories that I've 1695 01:13:39,380 --> 01:13:36,000 experienced at state Elizabeth's down 1696 01:13:43,190 --> 01:13:39,390 here I mean really unusual one I think 1697 01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:43,200 it's a hint been yeah be in touch so our 1698 01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:45,210 casting producer in us and and we'd love 1699 01:13:49,220 --> 01:13:47,610 to have you back it's been too long it 1700 01:13:50,750 --> 01:13:49,230 has been a while well listen you take 1701 01:13:59,930 --> 01:13:50,760 care we'll talk about next week's show 1702 01:14:03,530 --> 01:13:59,940 and slide off into the hiding next week 1703 01:14:06,020 --> 01:14:03,540 is a show just from I guess my past it's 1704 01:14:08,660 --> 01:14:06,030 the Bermuda Triangle and we're gonna 1705 01:14:10,460 --> 01:14:08,670 have some thought about it they've 1706 01:14:13,310 --> 01:14:10,470 written a book on it actually I've got 1707 01:14:17,630 --> 01:14:13,320 the book right here it's a Bruce Gernon 1708 01:14:19,930 --> 01:14:17,640 and Rob MacGregor and I guess you know I 1709 01:14:22,490 --> 01:14:19,940 get like I say I got my foot on the 1710 01:14:24,890 --> 01:14:22,500 North East and one in Florida but it's 1711 01:14:26,270 --> 01:14:24,900 it's really should be very enjoyable and 1712 01:14:28,670 --> 01:14:26,280 that'll be next week and then we're 1713 01:14:30,260 --> 01:14:28,680 gonna time law and then I guess we 1714 01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:30,270 better split off into the night